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Re: Round 2

Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 11:30 am
by Benjobanjo
Hi Pablo,

I'd like to talk about those points you've fed back;

What is aware, what places restrictions, what should be free?
The assumed self places restrictions which is limiting. With the acceptance of no self there is awareness of the story/the assumed self but only as that. The thought machine/the story/assumed self places restrictions but as these are just thoughts and have no weight/no content/no bearing. There should be allowance of life and thoughts occurring without having to be swept up in the belief of thought based around this self.
What is it that feels hollow and free ?
There are sensations experienced. They happen and then a claim is made by the assumed self that I felt hollow and free. They happened, they were real, there was awareness of them but ā€œIā€ can't claim them as being the creator of them.
What do you mean by 'knowledge' and by 'I know'?
I suppose I meant there is an awareness or an acceptance or a realisation. Life continues and unfolds in reference to Ben's story but there has been something learned to allow more. Difficult to explain.
Without getting led down a thought path, there is nothing to know. It's more like forget, or stop allowing thoughts about being the centre of everything.
What is it that 'must' trust?
The old story/ego/mind must be able to let go to allow life to occur without having to control it. Without having to believe in all that it thinks and assumes.

Thanks Pablo
Ben

Re: Round 2

Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 11:44 am
by Paulo
Thanks Ben,

I've notified the other guides who had additional questions that you have responded, and will keep you updated.

Paulo.

Re: Round 2

Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 12:45 pm
by Paulo
Hi Ben, some of our guides have come back with additional questions,
The old story/ego/mind must be able to let go to allow life to occur without having to control it..
If the 'story/ego/mind' is 'a concept, a label a thought', how is it able to do anything?, would it not mean that is has an inherent existence, that it has control?
With the acceptance of no self there is awareness of the story/the assumed self but only as that
What is aware of the story ?

Is no self a story or a perspective ?

Thanks, Paulo.

Re: Round 2

Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 12:59 pm
by Benjobanjo
Hi Pablo,
If the 'story/ego/mind' is 'a concept, a label a thought', how is it able to do anything?, would it not mean that is has an inherent existence, that it has control?
From what I understand; It doesn't do anything apart from experience. It is a point of reference to which life infers it's existence on. I'm not sure whether it means it inherently exists. I find it hard to grasp this term. To inherently exists means to exist in its own right free and independent from causes, right? If that's the case, then this experience is not indepenendently existing as it arose from previous causation. This is also conceptual that is outside of my direct experience. There is no way to know this directly. There is an awareness of life happening, unfolding. It refers to something, experiences happen to something.
Leading to;
What is aware of the story ?
There is only awareness.
Is no self a story or a perspective ?
It's not a story as that would be a thought or a contribution to the story.
A perspective seems better as it is just that. It is the alternative perspective to the belief in a self, a central character.

Thanks
Ben

Re: Round 2

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 10:09 am
by Paulo
Myself and the other guides thank you for your patience, and for responding to the additional questions, and have no further questions for you. Please check your private messages (here on the forum) for more details.

Paulo.