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Re: I would like a guide please.

Postby dian » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:06 am

Should the experience of no-self be different from what is here, right now? How?
The experience of no-self is no different from what is here right now.
Are you saying that there is an entity, state or experience called "no-self" that should somehow be created, reached, attained?
No-self is not a state and I can't see who would attain it.
If you can't see a you when you look, what is not doing anything?
There is nobody doing or not doing anything. All is happening through no-one.
How are you envisioning "liberation" to be?
Liberation is life just happening, experience happening, good, bad, glorious, sad. All just happening.

Bye for now
Dianne

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Re: I would like a guide please.

Postby Canfora » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:48 pm

Hi Dianne. How are you? What's happening? What changed?

Sending love, Sandra

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Re: I would like a guide please.

Postby dian » Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:04 am

Hi Sandra,

A couple of days ago I spent the day just reminding myself constantly there is only now and no 'I'. If thoughts came in about anything I just kept telling myself constantly there is only now and no 'I'.

When I read your questions I sat with pen and paper and rambled on for pages with answers and then started again and rambled on some more. Then started again and rambled on some more. Then I read through all of the stuff I had written and sat with your questions again. Then I gave you my answers. Lucky you the last lot of answers were a lot shorter.
How are you? What's happening? What changed?
I don't know that anything happened. I just persistently kept reminding myself that there is only now and no 'I'. Nothing really changed except I was very focused on the statement "only now and no I" not letting anything else sway me from that. Today I am not as focused on the statement, trying to be but not happening.

So still here. Still happy to have your guidance.

Bye for no
Dianne

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Re: I would like a guide please.

Postby Canfora » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:13 pm

Dear Dianne,

What is this myself ?

What can this myself do or not do?

If the need to use the word Dianne appears, use the word thought in it's place.

See how that looks and what effect that has.

Sending love, Sandra

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Re: I would like a guide please.

Postby dian » Sat Dec 07, 2013 1:50 am

Hi Sandra,
What is this myself ?
So the thought 'there is only now, there is no 'I' happened, the thought to remember 'there is only now, there is no 'I' happened. There is no I, there is no myself.
What can this myself do or not do?
Myself cannot remind or do anything.
If the need to use the word Dianne appears, use the word thought in it's place.

See how that looks and what effect that has.
Thought will be away for 2 days and there is no computer where thought is going. So thought will get back to you in 2 days. Thought will be replacing the word Dianne with the word thought while thought is away.


Bye for now
Dianne

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Re: I would like a guide please.

Postby Canfora » Sat Dec 07, 2013 2:17 pm

OK, thanks. I'll be here.

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Re: I would like a guide please.

Postby dian » Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:13 am

Hi Sandra,

I'm back from my two days away and ready for your guidance.
regards
Dianne

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Re: I would like a guide please.

Postby Canfora » Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:39 am

Hi Dianne,

Can you please give me some examples of why you exists? What is making the belief in a self sticky? What's your proof of being a separate entity?

Sending love, Sandra

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Re: I would like a guide please.

Postby dian » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:46 am

Can you please give me some examples of why you exists?
I exist only because of thoughts that appear and sensations like tasting, feeling, hearing, seeing, touching.

[quote What is making the belief in a self sticky?][/quote]

I don't know for sure. Everything's happening without a self but thoughts give a sense of it happening to someone even when it's not.
What's your proof of being a separate entity?
Others speaking my name. Just in conversations with others the feeling is there's someone here doing that. No proof.

Bye for now
Dianne

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Re: I would like a guide please.

Postby Canfora » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:11 pm

Hi!
Others speaking my name. Just in conversations with others the feeling is there's someone here doing that.
Names are useful in a social context! Is identification with a name "you"?

When conversations happen look at the story of you from the eyes of the one you're talking to, your best friend, your husband, your daughter, a stranger on the street. Is it the same story? How does it change depending on a point of view? How does it change depending on your mood? Is there a true story or is it all fiction?

Remember looking at babies? As babies we are not separate from our world. There is no place where baby begins or ends. Then the story of a separate self is begun by our parents and family who tell us who “we” are. By around three years old, the story of separation is complete, and we add our own bits to it as we grow up. But is the story really happening in experience?

Where's the “separation” people call Dianne? Can you see this “separation” in life, happening?
the feeling is there's someone here doing that.
Can you please describe this feeling that's someone here? In experience what is this feeling made of?

Sending love, Sandra

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Re: I would like a guide please.

Postby dian » Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:34 pm

Hi Sandra,
Names are useful in a social context! Is identification with a name "you"?
No. Identification with a name is not me. The name Dianne is not me. I could change my name tomorrow and still be the same.
When conversations happen look at the story of you from the eyes of the one you're talking to, your best friend, your husband, your daughter, a stranger on the street. Is it the same story? How does it change depending on a point of view? How does it change depending on your mood? Is there a true story or is it all fiction?

With everyone I am talking to it is always a different story of me. With someone who loves me there is a very different story than there would be with someone who didn't like me. A shop assistant who serves me knows only that I'm a lady making a purchase. That is not a very long story but accurate from her point of view. The story of me can change from my perspective depending on my mood. So these are all stories of Dianne and all different. They can't all be true so that means they're all fiction. My husband and children have a different Dianne story than the story I have.
Remember looking at babies? As babies we are not separate from our world. There is no place where baby begins or ends. Then the story of a separate self is begun by our parents and family who tell us who “we” are. By around three years old, the story of separation is complete, and we add our own bits to it as we grow up. But is the story really happening in experience?
Everything is now for babies. Crying, smiling, rolling, laughing, eating, staring, sleeping. Labels are added around 3 years old where these things belong to someone and become I'm crying, I'm smiling, all learned labels from others. The toddler now has someone who owns all of this and can add his own labels like my toys, my pain, my mum or I'm hungry.
Where's the “separation” people call Dianne? Can you see this “separation” in life, happening?


The separation people call Dianne would be different depending on who was having a conversation with her. Dianne is different things for different people. So Dianne is fiction. She is made up of labels and assumptions. Even the labels and assumptions she has are made up. Thinking turns the sensations into a person. Without thinking no separate person exists.


Can you please describe this feeling that's someone here? In experience what is this feeling made of?
I can't describe this feeling. Could be just thoughts.

Bye for now
Dianne

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Re: I would like a guide please.

Postby Canfora » Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:54 pm

Hi!
Can you please describe this feeling that's someone here? In experience what is this feeling made of?
I can't describe this feeling. Could be just thoughts.
Did you look? Try again, please.

There is a feeling that someone is here but can you see someone here?

Is the feeling just thoughts or something else?

What happens with the feeling that's someone here when there's no thoughts about it?

Is this feeling part of what's experienced or separated?

Does it "come and go"?

Is this feeling "you"?


Sending love, Sandra

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Re: I would like a guide please.

Postby dian » Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:25 am

Hi Sandra
Did you look? Try again, please.

There is a feeling that someone is here but can you see someone here?
When in conversation last night with people, that face was Patrick, that face was Amy, that face was Julie. When we talked I was Dianne. Our shared memories gave us a past and conversation was catching up on past. The feeling that a Dianne was there participating in the conversation. Being looked at by others as speaking happens feels like a Dianne is here to be looked at. I look at that and Dianne is memories (thoughts about past). Thinking happened. Talking happened. Words just coming from I don't know where. Can I see someone here? No just the sensations and thoughts happening.
Is the feeling just thoughts or something else?
The feeling is thoughts and sensations. I will touch another persons arm if I'm concerned about them. And the sensation of touch seems real. When it's combined with sight of the person's arm and my hand it reinforces realness of there being two people. So sensations - sight, touch, talking and thoughts make up the feeling. That doesn't add up to a me being here.
What happens with the feeling that's someone here when there's no thoughts about it?
When the thoughts are gone, which takes away the shared memories as well, there's nothing but seeing, speaking, touching.
Is this feeling part of what's experienced or separated?
This feeling is an assumption only and comes from thoughts. Without thoughts the feeling cannot exist. The feeling doesn't stand up on it's own it needs thoughts to sustain it. So not a separate thing on it's own. Without thoughts it's not there.
Does it "come and go"?
It comes and goes with thoughts about it.
Is this feeling "you"?
No. I don't come and go. I am always here.

Bye for now
Dianne

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Re: I would like a guide please.

Postby Canfora » Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:55 pm

Hi,

Feels like a Dianne is here. And is a Dianne here?
Is self the body, the memories (thoughts), the one who other's see and talk too? The one that talks, looks, thinks?

You seem to be torn between thought content and seeing. Are you? What's unclear?
Or when you look it's 100% clear that self is an illusion?

Are you waiting for something to happen? What?

Sending love, Sandra

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Re: I would like a guide please.

Postby dian » Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:51 am

Hi Sandra,
Feels like a Dianne is here. And is a Dianne here?
Is self the body, the memories (thoughts), the one who other's see and talk too? The one that talks, looks, thinks?
The self is none of those things.
You seem to be torn between thought content and seeing. Are you? What's unclear? Clarity is just not there.

Or when you look it's 100% clear that self is an illusion?
I look and can't find a self but nothings changed.
Are you waiting for something to happen? What?
A change in perspective.

Bye for now
Dianne


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