Xain hi,
Thanks for your message.Since it is all having to do with just experiences and thoughts about them and an 'I' that identifies with them, this 'I' does not exist.
So there is not a real 'I' struggling here right now, which rips off all the identification with the experiences.
Are there past experiences that were experienced by you?: this is not very clear,maybe if there is no identification with the experiences and the thoughts about them , then there is no 'I' to experience them and hence just experiences themselves.
Consequently there is also no 'I' to experience conditioning but only thoughts about conditioning.There are thoughts about conditioning by thoughts.
There is no objective reality: this was mentioned meaning that the 'I' has no objective reality in itself.
It starts occurring to me that maybe there is no separate 'I' but just experiences and thoughts about these experiences.
Thanks
Chris
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Great, Chris - Let's just look at this one thing.
When you mentioned that 'I' was the one who made mistakes, 'I' was the one that had regrets etc
Was there ever an 'I' that had real control? Could things have gone differently?
Was there ever an 'I' that actually made mistakes?
If there is no separate 'I' here right now, was there ever a separate 'I'?
Do you have any further questions or things to ask before we move on. There will be a further six questions just to really make sure this realisation is solid.
Can one be found? ANYWHERE? Can you find one?
If not, then all that is left is experience. No experiencer.
Your thinking is in the right direction, and there can be further work to do 'after' the realisation, but that is not for right now.
Xain ♥
Good, but just to check . . . Let's try to make this clear.Are there past experiences that were experienced by you?: this is not very clear,maybe if there is no identification with the experiences and the thoughts about them , then there is no 'I' to experience them and hence just experiences themselves.
Consequently there is also no 'I' to experience conditioning but only thoughts about conditioning.There are thoughts about conditioning by thoughts.
When you mentioned that 'I' was the one who made mistakes, 'I' was the one that had regrets etc
Was there ever an 'I' that had real control? Could things have gone differently?
Was there ever an 'I' that actually made mistakes?
If there is no separate 'I' here right now, was there ever a separate 'I'?
Do you have any further questions or things to ask before we move on. There will be a further six questions just to really make sure this realisation is solid.
Well? Have we not established that there is REALLY NO separate 'I'?It starts occurring to me that maybe there is no separate 'I' but just experiences and thoughts about these experiences.
Can one be found? ANYWHERE? Can you find one?
If not, then all that is left is experience. No experiencer.
Your thinking is in the right direction, and there can be further work to do 'after' the realisation, but that is not for right now.
Xain ♥
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Xain hi,
Thanks for your message.'Was there a separate 'I' that made mistakes, had regrets etc? '
We'll there is a lot of resistance here because as you can understand a whole life was based on an assumption that is now reversed.
It is obvious that there was no 'I' that had real control and hence things could not have gone otherwise.
Things could have never gone differently .Things just happened the way they should happen.
Yes there is no separate 'I' to be found anywhere. Could we say that there are just experiences and
a spacious awareness?
Now sitting very comfortably on a sofa feeling the weight of this body on the cushions.Then thoughts pop up.
Just thoughts having to do with the habit of thinking.There is hearing of the noise of cars passing from the
Street .Hearing just happens, there is only experience and no experiencer.No separate 'I' can be found anywhere.
Thanks
Chris
Thanks for your message.'Was there a separate 'I' that made mistakes, had regrets etc? '
We'll there is a lot of resistance here because as you can understand a whole life was based on an assumption that is now reversed.
It is obvious that there was no 'I' that had real control and hence things could not have gone otherwise.
Things could have never gone differently .Things just happened the way they should happen.
Yes there is no separate 'I' to be found anywhere. Could we say that there are just experiences and
a spacious awareness?
Now sitting very comfortably on a sofa feeling the weight of this body on the cushions.Then thoughts pop up.
Just thoughts having to do with the habit of thinking.There is hearing of the noise of cars passing from the
Street .Hearing just happens, there is only experience and no experiencer.No separate 'I' can be found anywhere.
Thanks
Chris
Re: Request for a guide
Great, Chris!
Thank you - Ok, here are the first three questions of the six - Have a look at them and take your time.
Some of these might be going over ground we have already covered.
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
2) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
3) During our dialogue and your investigation of your experience, what was the last bit that pushed you over (if there was one you can think of) and made you look and realise?
Xain ♥
Thank you - Ok, here are the first three questions of the six - Have a look at them and take your time.
Some of these might be going over ground we have already covered.
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
2) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
3) During our dialogue and your investigation of your experience, what was the last bit that pushed you over (if there was one you can think of) and made you look and realise?
Xain ♥
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Xain hi,
Thanks a lot for your message.There is no separate self , me , 'I' at all , any where in any way , shape or form , neither was ever.
Experiencing liberation , expansion, broader perspective , thoughts not having power over me any more.
Xain your firm , patient presence and at times pushy communication , was the last bit that pushed me over.
Thanks
Chris
Thanks a lot for your message.There is no separate self , me , 'I' at all , any where in any way , shape or form , neither was ever.
Experiencing liberation , expansion, broader perspective , thoughts not having power over me any more.
Xain your firm , patient presence and at times pushy communication , was the last bit that pushed me over.
Thanks
Chris
Re: Request for a guide
Sometimes it takes that little bit of HEY LOOK! To do the trick - Thank you :-)Xain your firm , patient presence and at times pushy communication , was the last bit that pushed me over.
Just one little point, perhaps - This might seem pedantic, but I just want to make sure:
Is there a separate 'you' for thoughts to have power over?. . . thoughts not having power over me any more.
And here are the next three questions for you, Chris:
4) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works. Describe it fully as you see it now.
5) Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.
6) Finally, do you have anything further to add?
Xain ♥
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Xain hi,
Thanks for your message.No there is no separate me , thoughts just happen by themselves in the larger scheme of events.
The illusion of separate self starts early on in childhood when thinking starts organizing itself into an illusory entity.It is based and works on fear and identifications with thoughts.Hence lives on fear and opposites and dualities, good, bad me and you.
It is a source of suffering.it separates you from the unbound source of life and prevents liberation.
Things just happen in life ,nobody intends chooses , controls things in life , they just happen .No illusory self can make them happen.
There is no need to change other people, as there is no separate self that claims control over them.Encounters with people previously ,would often allow thoughts of separation to cause anxiety and tension and now instead of that are easy going.
Life is not the same any more and Feel very grateful to you.
Thanks a lot
Chris
Thanks for your message.No there is no separate me , thoughts just happen by themselves in the larger scheme of events.
The illusion of separate self starts early on in childhood when thinking starts organizing itself into an illusory entity.It is based and works on fear and identifications with thoughts.Hence lives on fear and opposites and dualities, good, bad me and you.
It is a source of suffering.it separates you from the unbound source of life and prevents liberation.
Things just happen in life ,nobody intends chooses , controls things in life , they just happen .No illusory self can make them happen.
There is no need to change other people, as there is no separate self that claims control over them.Encounters with people previously ,would often allow thoughts of separation to cause anxiety and tension and now instead of that are easy going.
Life is not the same any more and Feel very grateful to you.
Thanks a lot
Chris
Re: Request for a guide
Great, Chris.
There may be further questions from the other guides.
I will be back shortly.
Xain ♥
There may be further questions from the other guides.
I will be back shortly.
Xain ♥
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Xain hi,
Thanks for your message enjoy a lot working together with you in this endeavor .
Chris
Thanks for your message enjoy a lot working together with you in this endeavor .
Chris
Re: Request for a guide
Hi once more Chris
It has been a pleasure guiding you, and thank you for sticking in there and your genuine commitment to the process.
Our conversation here is at an end.
There are 'after care' groups you can join if you are on Facebook. Feel free to send me your Facebook name in a private message if you wish to do this.
On a personal note, you touched on . . .
A focus, perhaps, for your own further enquiry and future study should you wish it.
Very best wishes to you
Xain ♥
It has been a pleasure guiding you, and thank you for sticking in there and your genuine commitment to the process.
Our conversation here is at an end.
There are 'after care' groups you can join if you are on Facebook. Feel free to send me your Facebook name in a private message if you wish to do this.
On a personal note, you touched on . . .
This is right. You might now wish to look at . . . there is no separate 'I' here . . . but there is something which knows . . . something that is 'here'. What is it?There is no objective reality: this was mentioned meaning that the 'I' has no objective reality in itself.
A focus, perhaps, for your own further enquiry and future study should you wish it.
Very best wishes to you
Xain ♥
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