The Gate

Hi Sakari

Brilliant!

What is this I that is conscious of DE and thoughts?

Do you have any doubts left that there is no separate I ?

Greetings Vivi

Hi, Vivi!

What is this I that is conscious of DE and thoughts?

You got me. That was one hell of a question! Yes, everything I am conscious of is DE or thought. Or maybe it is better to say that thoughts also belong to DE but not necessarily their content. Anyway, the I doesn’t belong to DE, so it must be a thought. Of course there is a possibility that I exist but am never conscious of myself. But practically there is not much difference between “X doesn’t exist” or “X may exist but if it does, nobody is conscious of it.”

So it seems that there is no me. Yes, I have doubts. I always have them if I come to a very unusual conclusion. I must check the doubts and see if the conclusion holds or not!

And then there is the extremely interesting question, who or what is conscious of DE? It feels very important. So I will answer that later after some ferocious looking and thinking!

Sakari

Looking forward (ha ha)

- yes thoughts are part of DE, not their content

Hi, Vivi!

Today I was looking very hard in DE to find out, who is conscious of it. I couldn’t find the answer but got a strong sense that there are answers in DE. So I tried to reformulate the question to the form, what is here now? There were bunches of sensations labeled as the body, the computer, the keyboard etc. At this point I suddenly began to see daydreams, which practically never happens. I was fully awake but dreamed anyway! I am not sure if you find my dream interesting but here it is: I saw thoughts everywhere in some kind of room, even in places where I had thought no thoughts exist. They were in thick layers, one upon another. Somehow I knew that many or maybe most of them were some kind of assumptions and sensed that they covered simple truths under them. And the crazy thing was that the thoughts were in form of small birds. I wanted to get rid of the birds but wasn’t too worried. I sensed that the situation will somehow take care of itself, maybe in form of a gunshot that frightens the birds away, maybe some other way.

A silly dream but quite possibly truthful. I am a thinking kind of person building thoughts upon another. It is also possible that even in our project I think too much instead of trusting to gut feeling.
But anyway, now I know what to do: more investigating of DE and see what comes up.

Sakari

great!

Hello, Vivi!
I have been quite tired and maybe a bit lazy today. Haven’t found anything important. Good night!
Sakari

Good night - glad you popped in to tell me :)

Hi, Vivi!
Unfortunately another unproductive day. Slept badly also last night and was too tired to look properly at DE. Time to go to bed and sleep as deeply as possible!
Sakari

Hi Sakari


What was tired and slept bad?
Simply experience ;)

See you

Vivi

Hi, Vivi!

What was tired and slept bad?
Simply experience ;)

Yes, that is a valid perspective. In fact after reading it (about 6 pm) I tried to keep that perspective and look everything I did as an experience. It’s a bit like looking oneself from a distance or to look “me” and world instead of only world. A question: Is it a good practice to try to look life that way? Or does it matter?
Remembering my recent daydream I purposefully avoided thinking too much, just experienced. I got some ideas but somehow I think it may be best to keep looking instead of trying to think and analyze.

Sakari

hi

Do you have a choice?

greetings VIVI

Hi, Vivi!

Been too busy to work here. Tomorrow will be better. Also the chance to sleep late helps! See you.

Sakari

Hi, Vivi!

I would like to take a break! I have worked here quite hard and it has felt the absolutely right thing to do. But it has also made me a bit tired and now a break feels right. I think we have made quite a journey quite fast and now I feel I must rest before we can continue. I don’t know how long a break will be sufficient. Maybe days, maybe weeks. What do you think? Does this sound a sensible idea or a terrible mistake? And is it alright for you that we continue together after the break? Working with you has been a pleasure and I would like to finish it with you some day.

Sakari

Hi Sakari

It is quite all right you can come back whenever you feel like it.

What is it that seem to need a break?

;) Vivi

What is it that seem to need a break?

The break (hopefully) brings the answer! See you later!

Sakari