Hello

[Metta777]

, i was able to "hear", "smell" and "feel" without nothing more only the consciousness, and no "Jorge" in there, i don't know if "Jorge" is left me , but I know there is no "Jorge", and don't know why feel sad, maybe i'm unable to see or feel the reality

This is real. Nothing more,only consciousness with no Jorge in there.
Jorge did not leave because there never was a Jorge. This does not mean that feelings are not felt, anger,sorrow grief, this is natural. There is no "should be", it is what it is. Feelings arise, thoughts arise, anger arises, grief arises, all natural. But there is a different viewpoint when it is seen that this is just labels for what we are experiencing. If when anger arises you look at it, the energy can be taken away and it can be dropped. Even saints can have bad temper. :-)
A good mind is a treasure, it is a tool to be used, but it is not Jorge, not "I". But the mind can get in the way sometimes because it wants an , "I", it wants control. The ego wants control, it does not want to let go. There is no control. Feelings are not good or bad, they just are. When the anger is felt, where in the body is it felt? In the stomach, the head, look for it. Blessings and Peace, Metta

[Jorge786]

Jorge did not leave because there never was a Jorge

"I" think it was a "Jorge" because the illusion was, it's like believe in something, that was real for that moment. and the consequences was real.

something is changed, feel some kind of "absent of the identity", sometimes see the react like if it was another person, feel like a "who said that?", and i don't know if that is real or is a trick of my mind.
I feel a very intense need to fully confirm without doubt that "Jorge" ... does not exist, not that just I'm believing in that or thought about that, but confirm with absolute certainty, which ... evidently I not have yet

When the anger is felt, where in the body is it felt? In the stomach, the head, look for it

im going to see...

thanks a lot
Jorge

[Metta777]

Without labels, experiences, emotions,from the past where is Jorge? In the Now moment feelings arise, thoughts arise, but is there an identity in the thought itself? There is no control, this is illusion. Without the body, where is Jorge? Does he reside in the brain, in the body, who is he? Feel your breath, is there an " I " in your breath? Feel your heart beating, look at your hands, is there a Jorge in these things? Love, Metta

[Jorge786]

I'm trying to look deeper into these issues

Without labels, experiences, emotions,from the past where is Jorge?

without that things... Nowhere, I'M that labels, experiences and emotions and habits and traditions and nothing else nothing real in the present, in the Now.

In the Now moment feelings arise, thoughts arise, but is there an identity in the thought itself? There is no control, this is illusion. Without the body, where is Jorge? Does he reside in the brain, in the body, who is he?

Please delve into this issue, have I control when I want a drink of water and then reached out to take it?, it's not control?, who want a drink of water? who is reach the glass of water? I UNDERSTAND... NOBODY WANTS, only exist "wants" no "I", nobody is own of that "wants"

Sorry to cause you so much trouble on this hard head :-(, please go ahead a little more i'm feel so close to be... burning you people said?
thank you
Jorge

[Metta777]

No trouble Jorge.

Nowhere, I'M that labels, experiences and emotions and habits and traditions and nothing else nothing real in the present, in the Now.

Is there a you in those labels? Or are they just labels, emotions and experiences? Do they just happen? Do feelings just happen? When the body is thirsty, the feeling arises to get liquid, is that you? Is that your identity? If yes, in what way? Yes, nobody owns the wants. What does that mean? Think hard about that and explain. Still, where is the identity of Jorge? Can you find it anywhere? :-) Metta

[Metta777]

Observe the screen of your computer, explain where seeing the screen begins, ends and becomes the screen.Metta

[Jorge786]

is automatic and very fast,
processing or thinking about is not necessary
no meaning

[Metta777]

something was missed. :-)

[Jorge786]

maybe in this case it's not a labeling processing, i'm not sure, please explain

[Metta777]

How is the " I " defined, where does it begin and end? If there is an " I " that your ego is hanging onto, where is it and how to define where it starts, how it starts and where it ends. If a cup is observed, what quality if any does the cup have that makes it your cup?

[Jorge786]

Thanks Metta
the "I" can not own anything
When I say "my time" or "my body" or "my feelings" is perhaps the closest thing to the feeling of owning something but I realize it's only a sensation
Nothing is real here, I can not own anything, nothing is "mine", not even the feelings that are a way of thinking, that flow from the thoughts., There is no "I"
when it appears the "I"?, when someone showed us the "you" and "I" that is reinforced with the sensation of having a body.
To reach out and grab something is sense of being "one" who is performing the action of "taking".
Right now ... what I have is a memory of that feeling of "being", that memory reawakens the initial mechanism by which learned to be "I", that memory becomes ever and retracts again my sense the "I", but it is false, is just a memory.
I'm expecting a great event, for the things I've read or seen or have told me about this wonderful event, but I realize that one's mind is always comparing what happens to one with what is really going on and says "oh no ... not that ... I keep looking for something else." I'm waiting for a "click"

[Metta777]

Sounds like you are getting it. It is different for everyone, so try not to have too many expectations. We will go on a short time more and I will post you the final questions, if you think you are ready. Even when we get through the gateless gate, the changes continue.
That's right, nothing can be owned, thoughts arise and when the mind perceives something, it has the impulse to reach out and label. To form structure where there is no structure. It is a learned mechanism. Not bad, not good, just useful. Since there is no " I ", there is no doer. No you, no doer. Feelings arise, perceptions arise, emotions arise and then actions flow from these. Automatically. So labels, judgements, good,bad, are meaningless. So all labels given to you by someone else or even put on you by someone else or yourself are meaningless. The freedom is there to just be. Be the wonderful process of God that is happening. No guilt, shame, just the joy or whatever arises in this moment now. Observe your hand closely, see the palm, the lines, the flesh, is the hand your hand? Or is it the direct experience of flesh which will be dropped in time. Love, Metta

[Jorge786]

Yesterday I was looking for messages to read and observe the process of others, (useful because it gives you more questions and issues which point to the truth, hence the idea of make the "Gateless" book is very good).
Well, I found your posts with Martina. She said something like "I have no need to look any further", it made me an insight into the awareness that there is no an effort to do, not to get anywhere, which is part of the excitement that I always have: get something, achieve something, to have the feeling of "I did it" or "I got it"
I do not feel the sensation of a sharp clarity of this, but I'm not mistaken.
There is not a person ...
There is not a thing in here that does something or who possesses something, even own feelings or thoughts
Maybe I'm giving the first steps going through the door and I saw something, who saw something? is a paradox, because the mind is involved in this, is there a direct experience when you search: the see... there is no "I", but the mind intervenes to explain, and the mechanism by which the illusion is created rises. and that can be confusing

thank you very much Metta
a big hug and a big kiss
Jorge

[Jorge786]

Observe closely your hand, see the palm, the lines, the flesh, the hand is your hand? Or is it the direct experience of flesh Which will be dropped in time

the question is meaningless to me in this very moment. this instant directly see the hand and is only one hand. and time ... the possible future in which is no longer hand, it is also a story, right now its a hand, nothing more

[Metta777]

Great! There was a purpose in it, but for now do you feel ready to answer the final questions and go through the gateless gate? If so I will post them, they must be answered with detail and complete honesty. :-) Let me know.