I'd like to speak to the manager

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Re: I'd like to speak to the manager

Postby jefe2060 » Fri Mar 27, 2026 6:47 am

Back to being confused ;)
Seems you are holding your story pretty tightly.
It's ok. Hold it as tightly and for as long as you like.

Wait -- you said you were an "11" !!!!

Are you afraid?

I was. Very briefly.

The moth wishes more than anything to be one with the flame.
Each time it approaches, it realizes that to do so will be the end of the moth.

You think you are the moth.

But you are the flame.

Take all the time you want. Everything you need is already in the last two posts.
If you LOOK, you will see what you already saw.

https://youtu.be/GVCeCqwAkFE?is=hfCAnkQIVVOQg1PM

Love

J

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Re: I'd like to speak to the manager

Postby jefe2060 » Fri Mar 27, 2026 6:48 am

Back to being confused ;)
Seems you are holding your story pretty tightly.
It's ok. Hold it as tightly and for as long as you like.

Wait -- you said you were an "11" !!!!

Are you afraid?

I was. Very briefly.

The moth wishes more than anything to be one with the flame.
Each time it approaches, it realizes that to do so will be the end of the moth.

You think you are the moth.

But you are the flame.

Take all the time you want. Everything you need is already in the last two posts.
If you LOOK, you will see what you already saw.

https://youtu.be/GVCeCqwAkFE?is=hfCAnkQIVVOQg1PM

Love

J

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Re: I'd like to speak to the manager

Postby jefe2060 » Fri Mar 27, 2026 6:50 am

Omg this board is so clunky.

Sorry for posting the same message twice.

Hmm.

Maybe it's perfect that way!

🤣

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Re: I'd like to speak to the manager

Postby Enzymatic » Fri Mar 27, 2026 1:08 pm

Thank you Jeff :) When I get home from work tonight, and throughout the weekend, I will be sitting with this post, and the past several posts, and responding to it and reporting back :)

There's so much gratitude here for your love and patience during this thing we're doing here.

D

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Re: I'd like to speak to the manager

Postby jefe2060 » Fri Mar 27, 2026 2:55 pm

❤️

Won't it be fun when you see that you are the gratitude, peace, happiness, and love you have been looking for?

If you look, you will see.

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Re: I'd like to speak to the manager

Postby Enzymatic » Sat Mar 28, 2026 1:39 am

Hi Jeff,

Looking, looking, looking. You must be pretty dialed in to what's happening here, because that Rupert Spira video was right on the money.
Are you afraid?

I was. Very briefly.
No, and a funny mixed metaphor comes to mind: I'll burn that bridge when I get to it ;)
Seems you are holding your story pretty tightly.
Ain't that the truth. On the bright side: I know it's not "my" story so I know there's nothing to let go of. That puts me in a bit of a pickle, but I'm really not driving the bus on this thing so as long as the wheels don't come off "I" am going to keep looking, looking, looking. Is it weird to say this is fun? It seems like that shouldn't be the case, but it's just so joyous to be sitting on a bus that you know is driving towards the sunshine after a lifetime of driving through fog. Maybe more like the bus has always been in the sunshine but I never realized I had a sleeping mask on? Too many words... back to looking.

:)

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Re: I'd like to speak to the manager

Postby jefe2060 » Sat Mar 28, 2026 1:51 pm

Really there's no pickles. This has always been here, just like this. The only difference is that there's no longer need to be confused about "I" awareness and "I/me/mine" the character with your body, face, conditioning, likes and dislikes, suffering, pain, or whatever objective experience happens to arise anymore.

There's some people (like the weird lady in one of the two Introductory videos up front at LU) who insist on doing this kinda nonduality jargon speak where they act and talk as if there's nobody here exclusively, until they forget 🤣. For a real walk in that wild side you can listen to people like Jim Newman or his teacher, Tony Parsons. It's worth a gander. Who knows, it might just be your jam. I personally have lived trapped in the misery of the Jeff guy far too long to want or need to put on another costume or persona right when I'm finally happy occupying this skin. Finally standing still, it's astonishing how every day the blessings of experience keep coming and coming, even when they suck. Everything that happens just keeps reinforcing the truth by contrast: I am not this, I am not that. I am just I am that I am, and it looks, feels, smells, tastes, sounds, and is cognised just the way it is. Just like this.

🙏🏻❤️

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Re: I'd like to speak to the manager

Postby Enzymatic » Sat Mar 28, 2026 2:50 pm

Hi Jeff,

Quick reply.
This has always been here, just like this.
Thank you for this.
For a real walk in that wild side you can listen to people like Jim Newman or his teacher, Tony Parsons. It's worth a gander. Who knows, it might just be your jam.
Been down that road and definitely not my jam :) In contrast, you seem to have your feet firmly planted in the real world, and that has been immensely helpful.
If you look, you will see.
I KNOW that this is true now, so there's only looking, looking, looking now. There continues to be confusion about what I am, but it's no longer "my" confusion and it's no longer a "problem" that needs a solution (not that it ever WAS).
Everything you need is already in the last two posts.
I know that is true now, too. It's obvious that the time for thinking, cogitating, understanding, struggling, strategizing, negotiating, second-guessing, flapping my gums, flapping my arms is past and it's just looking now. Perhaps a switch will flip, perhaps not... but that doesn't change what I am.

Continuing to look and be...

Love,
D

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Re: I'd like to speak to the manager

Postby jefe2060 » Sat Mar 28, 2026 9:40 pm

Okie dokie. Please answer the following questions:

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) Describe decision & give examples from experience.


4) Describe intention & give examples from experience.

5) Describe free will & give examples from experience.

6) Describe choice & give examples from experience.

7) Describe control & give examples from experience.

8) What makes things happen? How does it work?

9) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.


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Re: I'd like to speak to the manager

Postby Enzymatic » Sun Mar 29, 2026 2:38 am

Hi Jeff,
Okie dokie. Please answer the following questions:

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) Describe decision & give examples from experience.


4) Describe intention & give examples from experience.

5) Describe free will & give examples from experience.

6) Describe choice & give examples from experience.

7) Describe control & give examples from experience.

8) What makes things happen? How does it work?

9) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
I'm happy to answer those questions since I'm turning to you for guidance here and that's what you've asked me to do. Before I do that, I should say that I would be answering from the standpoint of "I/me/mine" rather than "I/awareness" (to use your helpful terms) because I haven't yet SEEN what is truly the case of "me". There was a glimpse of something the other day, and I am spending this weekend just looking and noticing all the time, but it's fair to say I'm still ignorant of what I am... even though now there is much less doubt about where and how to look.

Would you still like me to answer those questions as best I can?

If yes, I'll do it!

If not, could I ask you if you might rephrase, or point again in a different way, at what you've touched on in the past several days and have phrased in different ways? Things such as:

- Describe the "data" that you are referring to that substantiates your declaration, "I am aware".
- Describe the experience you refer to that allows you to say that you are, in fact, aware.
- Describe the "aware" that you are.
- The suggestions in the Rupert Spira video to "notice the awareness you are" and "be knowingly the presence of awareness you are"

That seems like it would be helpful... unless you have other ideas, of course... in which case I'm all ears :)

Thank you Jeff :)

I know I keep thanking you, but I'm just so grateful that you are here pushing things onward, helping me in this endeavor, and sharing yourself as well. You may disagree, but to me it's all quite extraordinary.

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Re: I'd like to speak to the manager

Postby Enzymatic » Sun Mar 29, 2026 3:28 pm

Hiya Jeff,

Here is what's happening today:

I ask the question "Am I aware?" and the answer is "Yes"

I ask, "How do I know that?"

The answer is, "It's obvious"

Then the question / direction comes:
What is that obviousness?
Notice that obviousness
Is that obviousness always here?
What makes it obvious?

So that is the looking and noticing today. No answer, so I just keep looking, asking the questions, noticing.

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Re: I'd like to speak to the manager

Postby jefe2060 » Sun Mar 29, 2026 7:31 pm

Hey there. I think you are probably doing what I asked you to do but since you are using different terms (and the thought, “It’s obvious” is just a thought which makes the whole process suspect). I can’t be sure.
I ask, "How do I know that?"
The answer is, "It's obvious"
Then the question / direction comes:
What is that obviousness?
Notice that obviousness
Is that obviousness always here?
What makes it obvious?



This is thinking. Your mind served up some thinking and you likely went at it with more thinking, albeit probably along with more awareness and openness and actual curiosity than you have had available before.


The SPECIFIC question I asked you to answer (not with thinking, but with LOOKING: you can - and usually will - use words to describe what is “SEEN” – not the kind of seeing that is accomplished with the eyes - it is what awareness “sees” directly; what is directly known, the way you know you are you the way you always have known you are you since you first knew it – you were / are you and not someone else and that “you-ness” has never changed – you are the same you you have always been, despite being older, etc.) was “what is (ie, describe) the data / evidence to which you are referring that allows you to answer, ‘yes, I am aware’?”


It is not necessarily obvious, nor will the question, “what is that obviousness?” necessarily provide us with the answer.

You have to “Look”, and describe what you “see”.

Look with the knowing that knows whatever it is you are aware of. Look with awareness itself.

This is what is known in (I believe) the Tibetan tradition as “turning the light of awareness around on itself”.

So please just answer the question I asked, in the form I asked it, and describe what you see.

Are you aware?

If the answer is “yes”, then please answer the following question:

What is it to which you are referring that allows you to answer, ‘yes, I am aware’?”

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Re: I'd like to speak to the manager

Postby Enzymatic » Tue Mar 31, 2026 12:11 am

Hi Jeff,

I'm responding just to let you know I am still here and I haven't thrown in the towel ;)
So please just answer the question I asked, in the form I asked it, and describe what you see.

Are you aware?

If the answer is “yes”, then please answer the following question:

What is it to which you are referring that allows you to answer, ‘yes, I am aware’?”
Are you aware?
Yes
What is it to which you are referring that allows you to answer, ‘yes, I am aware’?”
You were very direct in your question, and have asked for an answer, so here is tonight's honest answer: I don't know! It's all just confusion. The confusion is so complete that I can't even formulate a coherent question to ask for clarification. It's not really a problem, but it IS confusion and frustration. Not dramatic levels of confusion and frustration, but it's... disorienting. Though I am keeping at it because I didn't come here to f*** around :)

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Re: I'd like to speak to the manager

Postby jefe2060 » Tue Mar 31, 2026 7:03 am

Perfect!

This will likely help:

Lost Keys

Let’s say that you have lost your keys and you swear that you left them in your coat. You go to look and check all the pockets - the keys are not there. You swear they must be as that was the last place you remember them. You have a vivid memory of putting them there after you left the house. But when you check they are not there. At this point you can keep believing that the keys are in your pocket, or you can admit you were mistaken.
... I don't know! It's all just confusion. The confusion is so complete that I can't even formulate a coherent question to ask for clarification...confusion and frustration. Not dramatic levels of confusion and frustration, but it's... disorienting...

First, let's examine your answers.

What is
“I don't know!”
In Direct Experience?

Here's your handy DE chart:

Thinking
Seeing
Hearing
Touching
Tasting
Smelling

I'll tell you.

It is a thought, a concept, words that you are using to describe an experience.

What is
“... It's all just confusion.”?

I'll tell you
.

It is a thought, a concept, words that you are using to describe an experience.

What is
“...confusion and frustration. Not dramatic levels of confusion and frustration…”?


Lololololo 🤣

If you saw someone looking for their keys and knew the backstory, and watched them p!$$ and moan and flounce and complain and yell at their partner for hiding their keys and get more and more lathered up about the situation and have a terrible day and go to a bar after work and get smashed and…

This is how normal life goes.

The "drama" involved is relative 🤣

So,

What is
“...confusion and frustration. Not dramatic levels of confusion and frustration…”?
I'll tell you.

It is a thought, a concept, words that you are using to describe an experience.

All that jumping up and down just to conceal the fact that you looked and didn't find your keys, or, just not in a way you could describe in the way you normally describe “normal” things.

I'm 200% sure that if you were to look again, observe the thoughts that you used to avoid describing what you saw, and just relaxed, sat there quietly, and described “it”, you'd actually have something to say about it.

So, look again.

Please just answer the questions I asked, in the form I asked it, and describe what you see.


Are you aware?

If the answer is “yes”, then please answer the following question:

What is it to which you are referring that allows you to answer, ‘yes, I am aware’?”



Love,

J

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Re: I'd like to speak to the manager

Postby Enzymatic » Wed Apr 01, 2026 12:38 am

Hi Jeff,
This will likely help:

Lost Keys
Thank you, that settled things down ;)
So, look again.

Please just answer the questions I asked, in the form I asked it, and describe what you see.

Are you aware?

If the answer is “yes”, then please answer the following question:

What is it to which you are referring that allows you to answer, ‘yes, I am aware’?”
It is the "fact" of the being aware itself that I'm referring to. Or: just the experience of awareness itself is what allows me to answer that yes, I am aware. That's not quite it though... too circular. Better: the question seems to imply some kind of mediating "thing" between "me" (the one being aware) and the experience of being aware, but there doesn't seem to be one in my experience. It's "immediate" for lack of a better word. Maybe "unmediated experience" would be another way to refer to it. "Knowing" works too. Also, "unmediated direct knowledge". Hopefully you can make sense of that word salad ;)

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