So ready…

[Elad]

How is the process unfolding Liz?

[Whizzer1]

Hello my friend 😊

Very very slowly would be the answer to that, but I do think it is still unfolding. I'm telling myself I'm having a rain forest experience as opposed to a drenching!

I covered off the stuff on our last conversation and am happy to say that I'm there on those things I wasn't getting at the time. I'm 100% no self-ed but I still catch myself getting caught up in stories about me and what I want/don't want, despite knowing that's totally irrelevant.

I thought I was doing well until I got a call today to say that the completion date on my house move has been messed up. Despite my best efforts I couldn't shake off the annoyance that caused. So the big 'important' stuff still has me, even if I can stand apart from the small stuff that doesn't impact this Liz too much - this is what I'm waiting to see change.

I tried to feel the sensation that what I labelled 'disappointment' was causing so I could sit with it, but as happens so often my mind just goes on to something else so the moment is gone and un-dealt-with. I think this type of practice of sitting with stuff is so difficult for me due to the ADHD and the way my brain works like the busiest motorway junction in the world crossed with a wasp nest..

Basically, where I am is like I know I know it, I just don't know that I know I know it and I'm waiting for that penny to drop.

I hope that wasn't too difficult a read 😵 thank you for asking ❤

[Elad]

Good to hear this Liz,


"I covered off the stuff on our last conversation and am happy to say that I'm there on those things I wasn't getting at the time. I'm 100% no self-ed but I still catch myself getting caught up in stories about me and what I want/don't want, despite knowing that's totally irrelevant."

For the purposes of seeing through fetter1-3 you wanna focus on if there is still any believe at all in a doer/controller/actor. Wanting and not wanting is for fetter 4/5.



"I thought I was doing well until I got a call today to say that the completion date on my house move has been messed up. Despite my best efforts I couldn't shake off the annoyance that caused. So the big 'important' stuff still has me,"

This is fetter 4/5 stuff. You might be making it harder by mixing it up.



"even if I can stand apart from the small stuff that doesn't impact this Liz too much - this is what I'm waiting to see change."

Is there actually any I that can choose to stand apart from anything? Or you are just using conventional speech?



"I tried to feel the sensation that what I labelled 'disappointment' was causing so I could sit with it, but as happens so often my mind just goes on to something else so the moment is gone and un-dealt-with. I think this type of practice of sitting with stuff is so difficult for me due to the ADHD and the way my brain works like the busiest motorway junction in the world crossed with a wasp nest.."


For a very bussy mind its often helpful to make the looking very active. Something like taping with the finger after each experienced instance of hearing/sensing/seeing/etc. This pertains not specifically to Fetter1-3, but just to mind training/mindfulness training.





"Basically, where I am is like I know I know it, I just don't know that I know I know it and I'm waiting for that penny to drop."

Right. Christiane Michelberger just came out with a new book on seeing through F1-3. It's short and very good. You might wanna read it/go through the exercises. A lot of it you all ready have seen, but the book might help the penny drop, at this stage where convicition is there and yet the shift seems to not have happened.




"I hope that wasn't too difficult a read 😵 thank you for asking ❤"

Not too difficult at all.

[Whizzer1]

Hi Elad
Apologies for the delay in replying, I must have unticked the notify me of a reply box. I just came in now on the off-chance and there you were...anyway...

For the purposes of seeing through fetter1-3 you wanna focus on if there is still any believe at all in a doer/controller/actor. Wanting and not wanting is for fetter 4/5.

This is fetter 4/5 stuff. You might be making it harder by mixing it up.

You're absolutely right! Wow, that was staring me in the face and I looking too closely to see it. And now that you've said it, I actually knew it too, it dawned quite recently but I hadn't the confidence to go with it..

Is there actually any I that can choose to stand apart from anything? Or you are just using conventional speech?

There is not. But I want to look at how I felt/what I thought when I framed this a little more when time permits..

Right. Christiane Michelberger just came out with a new book on seeing through F1-3. It's short and very good. You might wanna read it/go through the exercises. A lot of it you all ready have seen, but the book might help the penny drop, at this stage where convicition is there and yet the shift seems to not have happened.

I did have her first one and saw that new one online so I will give it a go.

I will report back.

Thank you! ❤

[Whizzer1]

Hey Elad
I’m not sure how to phrase what I’m trying to ask but here goes..
Does one have to physically receive/feel/acknowledge emotions and reactions as they arise, and then somehow each time, look into it to try to see there is no me to be affected by it, or, should it be an unnoticed, instinctive norm? (Or maybe it becomes so with practice?)

[Elad]

Hey Elad
I’m not sure how to phrase what I’m trying to ask but here goes..
Does one have to physically receive/feel/acknowledge emotions and reactions as they arise, and then somehow each time, look into it to try to see there is no me to be affected by it, or, should it be an unnoticed, instinctive norm? (Or maybe it becomes so with practice?)

Hi Liz! No no, neither. The only thing needed is to truly see that separate self/controller/experiencer is a false belief. You do it at this point by being on the look out for whatever is experienced as me, and then check if there is any evidence that that is a real me.

[Whizzer1]

Ok got it, I think your answer was reflective of what I was trying to say in the first option.

I think I have this but want to keep going with testing for a while, will report back.

Thank you!

[Elad]

Sounds good. Okay, I can see the relation between your first option and what I said. Here is an "exercise formulation of this" from another exchange, maybe will be helpful:

"What I'd like you to do for me is a little exercise. The exercise might require some patience. You will need to wait until it seems there is a sense of self or 'I', and when you notice that sense of self arises in a particular moment at some point in the day, try to stay with it at the level it's arisen and ask yourself if there is a belief that you are that &/or that it is you?

If the answer is yes, the second part of the exercise is to look more closely at what this sense of self is made up of.

If the answer is no, make a note of what that sense of self was made up of, and go back to looking and see if you can find any other sense of self that you would answer yes to the question above, and if so then proceed to the second part as above.

Let me know how you go, and what you find."

[Whizzer1]

Will do 🙏

[Elad]

Dear guidees,

I will be taking a month of vacation, including from guiding, from May 26th to June 27th. You might want to use the time until May 26th to inquire with great wholeheartedness and beginners mind, maybe "the Gateless Gate will be passed". You might also want to update both of us on where you are in the process, and what is experienced as your wishes and needs now, if any - happy to hear from you before I leave. If during my vacation you feel a need to be supported by an LU guide, two of my trusted fellow guides will be available. During that period, contacting them might also be an opportunity to the get a different input - we never know what input, what energy, will suddenly make what is clear clear.

Fellow guides:

Alan: alan.home.mailbox@gmail.com
Becca: becca@supportedawakening.com

🙏