Please Guide Me

[pranavsood]

Aha! And how does the choice work?

Choice is dictated by thought and emotion. Both are not in our control.

[pranavsood]

Also, impulse arises to make a decision. then thought describes it.

Also, even for so-called 'long' term choices, like "meditate every day", we make them because we feel good while making them All depending on feeling

[pranavsood]

But it feels good to think that u are in control, that you can change things.

say u can start being punctual..! u don't want to be not-punctual. And it sucks that u can't do anything about it. The feeling that you can change, u are in control is good.

So, it feels empowering to be in control.

But again, I can't decide to not feel empowered.

The feeling generated by the idea of beong in control is not my choice. it just happens.

[pranavsood]

Isn't it all about I?

if there is no me, then nobody who needs to be punctual, no person who needs to fix his habits.

[Ilona]

Is there a person that needs to fix what is happening and make things happen it's way?

You say that choice is dictated by thought and emotion. What dictates thought and emotion? Are you separate from environment?
Is there a line which separates thoughts and emotions from life happening?

"If there is no me, no one needs to be punctual" - that's some theoretical bs. Start looking in experience till there is no IF left. It's not hidden and it's obvious. If word shows it's not obvious... do you agree?

[pranavsood]

Is there a person that needs to fix what is happening and make things happen it's way?

Yes, sometimes it feels that way. It looks as if there is a person who decides to do stuff.

For e.g. "let me decide to think positively, let me replace each negative thought with positive"

It feels as if there is an I thinking this thought.

When I look in DE there is just this thought and a lot of emotion attached to this thought, no I.

I want to explore this more with you.

What dictates thought and emotion?

Thought and emotion arise themselves spontaneously, though sometimes (very rarely) it feels like there is an I thinking thoughts, e.g., "let me decide to think positively"

Are you separate from environment?

Yes, it feels as if only "I" can feel my thoughts and feelings, no one else.

Although if I look in DE, the thought, emotion and environment all appears one and the same.

Is there a line which separates thoughts and emotions from life happening?

Yes, it feels as if only "I" can feel my thoughts and feelings, no one else.

If word shows it's not obvious... do you agree?

Yes, totally this is theoretical bs. Agreed.

[Ilona]

You keep going in circles like a hamster in a wheel. Stop for once. Stop recycling your ideas over and over and over again. Look, we are talking for 28 pages now and you still on about the same old shit. Wake up!
I asked you to read the whole thread. Did you do it?
Do it. And take your time reading it. All pointers are there already. I have nothing new to say.

It's your own desire for truth no matter what that makes seeing happen. How much do you want it? Or you just want to tell me over and over again how I chooses thoughts? Enough of this bs. Either look, or walk away. What is it going to be?

With love

[pranavsood]

okay, got it.

I'll post whatever I see.

Let's see where it goes.

I'll look at the thread again.

Maybe, that's what's needed.

And I'll ask you if I have any questions, after going through the thread / if only I need a clarification which is not addressed in the thread.

[pranavsood]

Hi Ilona,

I sort of figured it out.


Pranav refers to nobody. There is nothing called Pranav.

There is thought, there are emotions.

But nothing called Pranav.

Now Pranav might be called a convenient label for body + thoughts etc.

But if u look for something called Pranav, it doesn't exist.

A bit like a university.

[Ilona]

How does it feel to see this?

[pranavsood]

It feels nothing.

It's calmer. There's a stillness.

But still very much the same. Same lost in thought.

But it's good.

And I saw a couple of more things after that :

[pranavsood]

There are so many complicated stories. So much hurt, so much running.

And all u have to see is that, ' Nah, I won't bother about it. I don't need to bother about anything. It's a story. '

No need to run after things.

And all u have to see is that, ' Nah, I won't bother about it. I don't need to bother about anything. It's a story. '

And where is 'I' here ? who is speaking this? The mind itself.

Because there is no I to realise that there is not an I.

Not sure if I it hit me fully, but yes I can see this clearly.
The realisation happens in the mind. It's just another story.

Because there is nobody outside mind to realise this!

[Ilona]

No need to entertain stories.
One can always rest in peace, which is found underneath all stories.
Is there somebody inside the mind to recognise the absense of i?

[pranavsood]

Ilona,

I realised, I can't simply analyze this.

I can't form a theory about 'there is no I'.

I've been analyzing, trying to logically deduce is there I ?

But logic is thought, a story.
The story may or may not be true.


And when u really look. There is thought / stories.

And the sensory info / experience.

In any event we can't control what we think.

We can't predict the next thought. We can't control our thoughts /

Hence no point of analyzing.

[pranavsood]

Is there somebody inside the mind to recognise the absense of i?

No.

There is just thought / story and sensory input. That's it.
Nothing else.