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Re: Greetings!

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:53 pm
by Iconoclast
Hmm, now I have done the substitution using the word "SELF" instead of mind, time, etc.

Have I done it just mechanically? or have I felt it at all, maybe a bit?

Well I don't know, to be honest initially they sound like "very big bites":))

but I'll continue contemplating/looking/checking the sentences deeply throughout the day and see how it goes...

Re: Greetings!

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:33 pm
by Iconoclast
Again, let me know when you want to see the "final" questions You sound "cooked."

Certain things seem to have been cooked in the last four or five days for sure
but I suspect that it is the cooking of the noselfepiphany yet
I think I'll feel it when I am ready for the final questions
until then I think I'll continue happily procrastinating:)

Re: Greetings!

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:46 pm
by Iconoclast
I've realized that Reality is Nobody's Father's Farm.
It is No Body's. It "belongs" to all. It is Anonymous.

Reality is a commune, a home for all.

Reality is a Manifestation of all for all.

Re: Greetings!

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:53 pm
by Iconoclast
There is no self in passion
There is no self in hubris
There is no self in content
There is no self in resistance
There is no self in despair
There is no self in happiness
There is no self in unhappiness.

There is no self in happenings.

Re: Greetings!

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:25 pm
by Iconoclast
There is no self in ignorance
There is no self in wisdom
There is no self in skepticism
There is no self in naivete
There is no self in trust
There is no self in lust
There is no self in a Star
There is no self in a Kingdom
There is no self in a mystic
There is no self in a villain
There is no self in a poet.
.....

All these just manifest as they are,
with their specific characteristics or personality,
yet without a (separate) self.

They are the Existence all together - Indivisible.

Everything is Indivisible and yet nothing is an individual (self).

Re: Greetings!

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:45 pm
by Iconoclast
There is no self in a Taurus
There is no self in an Aquaris
There is no self in an Introvert
There is no self in an Extrovert
There is no self in an Intuitive type
There is no self in a Sensing type
There is no self in the INFJs (personality type)
There is no self in the ESTPs (personality type)

There is no self in any personality type.
Types are just names for certain patterns appearing in Reality.

Re: Greetings!

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:19 pm
by Iconoclast
There is no self in laughter
There is no self in crying
There is no self in joy
There is no self in grumpiness
There is no self in virtue
There is no self in evil
There is no self in diligence
There is no self in laziness
There is no self in professionalism
Therte is no self in unprofessionalism
There is no self in Democracy
There is no self in Fascism
There is no self in Spontaneity
There is no self in Self-consciousness
There is no self in being selfless

There is no center in self-centeredness

There is no self in selfishness.

Re: Greetings!

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:46 pm
by Anastacia42
There may be no dramatic "epiphany." That's an unrealistic expectation.

It can be subtle.

It doesn't sound subtle in your posts.

Loving,

Re: Greetings!

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 11:23 pm
by Iconoclast
There may be no dramatic "epiphany." That's an unrealistic expectation.
It can be subtle.

I see. I understand what you mean. I'll check my expectations more closely, I mean what exactly I assume would "happen" when noself is seen.

It doesn't sound subtle in your posts.

You are right, certain things seem to be well recognized here. There is an undeniable clarity for which I am quite glad.
I need to see yet if there is the same clarity about the "self", responsibility, free will, identity, self-judgment, etc.
Well for the time being I assume "not", based on my "feelings", attitudes, mood etc.
Anyway we'll see it as I investigate these concepts more closely based on my "daily" reactions.

Re: Greetings!

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 11:51 pm
by Anastacia42
ok

Re: Greetings!

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 5:09 pm
by Iconoclast
I started contemplating memory, I will answer the questions on memory part by part, as I observe and feel.

For the time being I'd like to answer only the first three.


Look at what is actually going on and not what thoughts say - but what actually is.

What is memory exactly?

A store of THOUGHTS “about” events, things, thoughts, etc.

What is the memory ‘made of’?

Thoughts, images.

WHEN does the memory appear?

When we think, every time we think.

Re: Greetings!

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 5:32 pm
by Anastacia42
Yes, good.

Re: Greetings!

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:18 pm
by Iconoclast
Look at what is actually going on and not what thoughts say - but what actually is.

1. What is memory exactly?

A store of THOUGHTS “about” events, things, thoughts, etc.

2. What is the memory ‘made of’?

Thoughts, images.

3. WHEN does the memory appear?

When we think, every time we think.

4. What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘memory’ thought?

No qualitative difference. Let’s take these two sentences as examples,

a. “Freedom is important” (General Thought).
b. Now I “remember” myself thinking about freedom yesterday (Memory Thought).

Both sentences are “conceptual” in regards to the present moment, and both have no physical basis or reality in the moment.

5. How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘memory’ thought refers to something that has happened?

We just have a strong “feeling” about it, we can be sure only if we check some archives etc.

6. Then, look at a thought about the future.

What is the future thought ‘made of’?

Thoughts, images.

7. WHEN does the future thought appear?

Here now.

8. What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘future’ thought?

No qualitative difference in the sense that both are "non-actual" in the moment.

9. How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘future’ thought refers to something that will happen?

“I will have a meal with my friends tomorrow.”

This sentence “gramatically” refers to a potential for tomorrow. The content might turn true or not, that cannot be known certainly now.

10. Then let’s compare a thought about past and a thought about the future.

What is the EXACT difference between the thoughts about past and future?

No difference except their “themes” (“past” and “future”). They are both thoughts, both are conceptual, and both are "non-factual" (non-physical, imaginary) in the moment.

11. If there is difference and how is that difference is known exactly?

No qualitative difference.

Re: Greetings!

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:33 pm
by Anastacia42
Very good.

Now go through it & substitute "self."

Note how it FEELS and write that here.

Loving,

Re: Greetings!

Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:41 pm
by Iconoclast
All thoughts, including the ones on "past" or" future", are STORIES (history).

Like every story, they are narrational/imaginary and "selective" in nature.

What we believed "happened" are mostly our self-centered, partialistic "productions" (ego-films).
....

It seems we tend to dream when we believe that our thoughts correspond to "the facts", and we tend to be awake when we see them as made up "stories".