Re: Looking for guidance - am tired of the cycle of becoming
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:21 pm
Hey Sioned
sure, lets see what the final questions say :)
xxx
Alex
sure, lets see what the final questions say :)
xxx
Alex
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https://liberationunleashed.com:443/nation/
https://liberationunleashed.com:443/nation/viewtopic.php?t=7485
No there isn't any, there never was1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was
there ever?
he illusion is that we think there must be a separate, sufficient, independent self that exists apart from the world and others. And we think this self is in control of thoughts and emotions, and that it lives in the body.2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from
your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
It is liberating to see this, but at the same time it doesn't really feel special. It is like seeing a fact that was always there, right in front of me. It is more like getting right of a belief, instead of having a new belief. It is a shedding of something false. The difference now is that I really don't care as much as before about it. I registered as "Seeker2019" because I was driven, slightly obsessed with having a certain experience and realizing something. Now it is not so important. There is still a part that wants to know "did I really do it?" a part that hopes for validation. But thats not me, its just a thought, and I am sure this part of my psyche will never shut up, never be satisfied. I am sure it has good intentions and I do not want to see it as something that needs to shut up... but it has no power anymore. Live has an easiness to it, its hard to describe how. It is not that anything outside has changed. With all the chaos in the world there is a lot that weighs down on this mind. But it feels like it is not going deep into the core. It stays on the surface of my inner perception. Lets compare it with taste: life still tastes as before: bitter or sweet, nice or not nice, but there is just the experience of the taste without the constant struggle to have it different.3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue?
Please report from the past few days.
I do not know :) I was sitting on retreat in silent meditation, experiencing strong emotions, anger and lots of stories about that. Suddenly my attention dropped in the body, I saw sensations, emotions, thoughts separating. It felt like my world opened up, everything got more bright and spacious and suddenly the anger that I felt all around turned its color... wush! and it was full of love. I do not know it this was what made me look. Its just that I know beginning with that experience I felt a deep peace and equanimity that grew for the next couple of days. I just realized that everything will be ok, even if I forget all this, and drop back into my old collapsed, tightened and contracted state of being, that ultimately its not different. It is not me who is then suffering from the small, constricted sense of being. It never was. Sue, the open, wide aware state with a fluid sense of self is rationally preferable, it is not better in any way because it is always there, just the sense of me collapses into something small that is suffering, but its not me anyway.4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?
Decision: I do not know how a decision is made. I think the conscious thought "I decided this and that" is not the decision. A decision is made somehow, and we become aware of it, and the conscious mind says: "I have decided this and that". Intention is interesting, because I think this is were we have some leverage to work with our mind and conditioning. An intention is like a statement of what we want to happen / do. But then it is also a decision, who intends something? Free will, choice, control. Oh man, heavy topic! To be honest I just don't see much interest right now in getting into these heavy concepts... They are so ... unreal? Made up? Right now more interesting is what is really in front of me, what is going on now in the body, the mind, and not these concepts. So anyway... I think for the most part I don't know. I think most decisions are influenced by so many things in our psychology, memories, and are heavily influenced by society, and other people to. So it is more like our mind is part of a super system with boundaries that are not clearly defined. I do not think that there is an entity that makes decisions in us, and thus I do not believe there is an entity that can have free will... I also do not believe that everything is predetermined or that we are just machines, autonomatons, just a predictable system. How this works I don't know.5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen?
How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.