A logical mind seeks freedom and joy

[EmptySet00]

Good observations - I like the one about the trees.

What about time? Do you actually experience it?

[Narracja]

Oh, that's a good one. No, I don't have an sense for time perception; in the absence of memories to approximate what's been in the past, and other thoughts to tell what might happen on the future, the senses just take on snapshots of the present.

[EmptySet00]

Here's another interesting one. What about change?

[Narracja]

I notice I may have been too hasty with the snapshot -thing I mentioned. Although that's what I "know" to be true with logic and knowledge of anatomy, it's not what I perceive with senses. The branches of a tree do look like they move in the wind, and it does look like the movement happens in time.

Same with change, as it by definition happens in relation to time. So I perceive change (e.g. in the position of the branches) from one time point to the next...

[EmptySet00]

How much of the perception of change relies on memory? What about the perception of motion?

[EmptySet00]

Is anything ever standing still?

[Narracja]

How much of the perception of change relies on memory? What about the perception of motion?

It's hard to tell. Intellectually, I know that in order for a thing to seem like it takes a new position relative to an old one, I need to remember what the old position was (e.g. an open door transforms into a closed door). Motion is a type of change so I'd say the same applies to it; still, when I watch a door being closed, it looks like very little memory is needed.

Is anything ever standing still?

In the big picture, all things move relative to each other, plus atoms vibrate etc. Looking only at senses, e.g. the floor and the walls seem very still (although one day they'll crumble). When my eyes are tired, I sometimes see the small movements (saccades) they (the eyes) do to refresh the picture, and that can make things which under normal conditions would seem still, seem as though they moved.

[EmptySet00]

Good observations! You may see or understand things differently, but to me it seems like motion, or flux, is constant, and that there is such a thing as a sense of movement of the body or of other things that can be sensed. However, as you can see, there is also a sense of time and change that relies on memory.

Next thing to check out: Where do good and bad, right and wrong, come from? For the next day or so, notice how you come to see some things as good, attractive, pleasing, or right, and others as bad, unappealing, or wrong.

[Narracja]

Apologies for the delay. I'll be a bit short on internet for the next week but will write when I have the chance.

Here's what I've seen

Pleasing/attractive: certain shapes (in e.g. faces, bodies), often related to youth and health. Learned ideals (i.e. prior experience), perhaps. Things which are in accord with expectations.

Repulsive/unattractive: things that look like sickness, perhaps with potential contagion hazard. Things that look distorted compared to prior experience or expectations.

Right/wrong: conceptions of (in) justice; inferences about situations (the cognitive frame around what's happening and why)...

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[EmptySet00]

How do you know that something is pleasing or displeasing, right or wrong? What happens in experience?

[Narracja]

There's just thought and sometimes a visceral reaction following the thought. An association of sorts...

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[EmptySet00]

Does the visceral reaction sometimes precede the thought?

[Narracja]

Hmm.. will take a look!

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[Narracja]

Ok, turns out those visceral reactions regarding good and bad are quite rare so it's really hard to tell by experience.

Mental simulation (i.e. thought) suggests simple judgements of good and bad often happen before thought, but "right" and "wrong" seem to require more complex interpretations of the situation at hand...

Reactions regarding attractive/repulsive rarely need thought, although they are often accelerated buy thought.

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[EmptySet00]

Now take some coins of two different types, like pennies and nickels. Put them in front of you.

How many are there?

Are you looking at, say, ten coins, or at six pennies and four nickels? Or a single group of coins? Or just a single sight of coins and background?

And by the way, how do you know the coins are on top of the background?