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Re: Greetings!
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:46 pm
by Iconoclast
I'm writing on the phone plus there is a problem with the quote function at the moment, at least on my phone, so sorry for the inconveniences re copy paste, spelling etc.
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I've realized that I feel at home with memory and I feel uncomfortable with actuality.
Is this because actuality feels more risky? Probably.
My "real" (deep) relationship with actuality and memory is far more complicated than I thought.
I feel that reality is fearsome (evil?!). And memory is secure (good?:)
So probably there might be some resistance to seeing that DE is real and memory is unreal.
Just trying to see what is really going on here. What stops me
from seeing etc.
Re: Greetings!
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:59 pm
by Iconoclast
I'm fearful of seeing Reality.
Turn iit around!
I'm fearful of seeing my Thinking about Reality.
I think this is more relevant and true.
It's not necessarily reality but my thinking about reality that I"m fearful of.
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This is a radical realization for me.
Re: Greetings!
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 5:45 pm
by Iconoclast
But is there an experience of the ’now’ moving along the line of time?
No.
Any experience of one ‘moment’ giving way to the next?
No.
Is there any actual or direct experience of one event following another?
An event is what the mind “defines” as an “event”. Events happen and follow each other only in the mind, not in the direct experience.
How fast is the ‘present moment’ actually moving?
It’s the mind moving fast.
Just look at 'this moment', can you find a point where it began?
No.
How long does the ‘now’ last?
Now does not last, thoughts about it last for fraction of seconds.
Where does the ‘now’ start, and where does it end?
No beginning no end. Yet thoughts about now have a beginning and an end.
When does the ‘now’ exactly become the 'past'?
When we think about it.
What is the ‘past’ in actual experience?
The fact of THOUGHT (about past) ARISING.
So is there actual experience of ‘time’ or only thoughts about ‘time’?
No actual experience. Just thoughts about time.
Re: Greetings!
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:53 pm
by Iconoclast
I listened to "Perceiving Receiving" on dropbox.
I feel the Perceiving more closely as I focus on DE.
Re: Greetings!
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 3:32 am
by Anastacia42
Hi,
Please use the Quote function & please answer each question in the Time Exercise, separately.
Thank you,
Re: Greetings!
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 3:35 am
by Anastacia42
Oh, I see you did.
It's not necessarily reality but my thinking about reality that I"m fearful of.
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This is a radical realization for me.
Yes, true. It's always about our thinking.
Loving,
Re: Greetings!
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 3:38 am
by Anastacia42
No actual experience. Just thoughts about time
Good. That's true.
I listened to "Perceiving Receiving" on dropbox.
I feel the Perceiving more closely as I focus on DE.
Good.
Loving,
Re: Greetings!
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 3:40 am
by Anastacia42
Okay, as promised:
Memory Exercise
Almost everybody believes that a memory thought is referring to something that has happened. That a memory thought is a different thought than a non-memory thought.
Please don’t go to thought explanations, but just let a memory be there, and look at it.
Look at what is actually going on and not what thoughts say - but what actually is.
What is memory exactly?
What is the memory ‘made of’?
WHEN does the memory appear?
What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘memory’ thought?
How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘memory’ thought refers to something that has happened?
Then, look at a thought about the future.
What is the future thought ‘made of’?
WHEN does the future thought appear?
What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘future’ thought?
How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘future’ thought refers to something that will happen?
Then let’s compare a thought about past and a thought about the future.
What is the EXACT difference between the thoughts about past and future?
If there is difference and how is that difference is known exactly?
Loving,
~ Stacy
Re: Greetings!
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:31 pm
by Iconoclast
Ah the questions on Memory look like questions in the Maths or Physics Olympiads!! :)
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Anyway I'll not give up and look as closely as possible.
Re: Greetings!
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:55 pm
by Iconoclast
Hi Stacy,
Today I listened to Release - Receive on dropbox.
I feel it. Releasing.
First the mind releases "it" and then the body, and as we release we receive space (spaciousness).
Nowadays I think much less than usual.
I've released most of the left brain habits.
Instead there is more peace and space.
I'll continue Releasing the things that I still hold on to.
Love
Ico
Re: Greetings!
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:35 pm
by Anastacia42
Good afternoon, Ico,
Instead there is more peace and space.
I'll continue Releasing the things that I still hold on to.
You will be doing that for many, many years, possibly the rest of your life.
Can you find any separate "self" anywhere in Direct Experience? Or was it only a thought you believed?
Loving,
Re: Greetings!
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:48 pm
by Iconoclast
Can you find any separate "self" anywhere in Direct Experience? Or was it only a thought you believed?
I'd say it's a thought-based experience.
Re: Greetings!
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:50 pm
by Iconoclast
I forgot to use the quote function, let me add it:)
Can you find any separate "self" anywhere in Direct Experience? Or was it only a thought you believed?
I'd say it's a thought-based experience.
Re: Greetings!
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:10 am
by Anastacia42
Yes and thank you but can you see it, can you feel it,?
Re: Greetings!
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:41 pm
by Iconoclast
I actually do not know "what" I am supposed to see or feel exactly. There is nothing dramatic going on here, so I assume that I do not see or feel what you are talking about.
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Well although I don't"t know what it is exactly, it seems I'll know it when I see.
I wish good luck to myself! :)