First of all, thank you very much, Vince (and others), for bearing with me. After those few weeks that passed by, I feel like not much has changed in the way I see myself and the world around me. I still feel like there’s “me” and kind of forgot all the things that were seen and discovered here with you, Vince. Perhaps I’m more aware of the thoughts and not trusting them totally, but no other noticeable changes. The thought comes that it’s a clear sign that the shift hasn’t happened, but I leave it to you, the specialists:) But perhaps there’s some truth in the last question I was asked, and even though I really tried to look, I was just buying into a story “I” wanted to believe in. It felt right to put some effort into seeing what I know I should see, what the right answer would be. But, perhaps, that was very superficial.
Anyway, here are the most honest answers I can offer you today.
1) With eyes closed, can you confirm that what is experienced is 'blackness,' as I mentioned?
Yes
2) Is there anything else in 'seeing' other than 'blackness'?
No, just some visual memories of my facial features come up (the shape of my nose that I see with my eyes open), but they are seen for what they are. Apart from that, it’s only blackness.
3) Can what is witnessing the blackness be found?
No, I can’t find it, but there are a lot of “I can see it!” kind of thoughts, one after another, but the most predominant one seems to be the memory of my facial features and a lot of sensations around my face area. It gives a strong impression that the blackness is experienced and seen with this face. Even though I know it’s not really here, it’s hard to let go of it. As if I cannot separate the two and the blackness can’t exist without the sensory stimuli coming from my face, because it has to be experienced WITH something.
4) Can a pair of eyes, an 'I' / 'me', a person be found that is witnessing the blackness? Or is there just 'blackness' to be found? What do you find?
Still, there’s a strong feeling that the seeing happens thanks to the eyes. I cannot find anyone, but the felt sense is that’s all happening thanks to this body, and without that the perception of blackness wouldn’t be possible.
Can an INHERENT SEE-ER be found? Would anything that is suggested as the see-er, be anything other than a concept/idea/thought?
I see how an idea or thought could be noticed and discarded, but this felt sense seems so true. I cannot even imagine how it would be possible to feel that there’s no see-er and the blackness is all there is. “The fact that I can’t see myself doesn’t mean that I’m not here, because I can clearly sense my (and this body’s) presence” - this thought pops up, and even though I know it’s just a thought, it’s hard to argue with it.
Exercise 2
1) With eyes open, can you confirm that what is experienced is 'what can be seen' as I mentioned?
Yes
2) Is there anything else in 'seeing' other than 'what can be seen'?
No
3) Can what is witnessing 'what can be seen' be found?
Just with seeing- no, but still there’s the felt sense of this body doing the seeing. F.e. when I move my head, what’s seen changes.
4) Can a pair of eyes, an 'I' / 'me', a Justin be found that is witnessing 'what can be seen'?
Or is there just simply 'what can be seen' to be found?
What do you find?
I feel like I’m trying really hard to get it but still can’t grasp it…Even when I try to focus solely on the seeing, the awareness of this body doing the exercise makes it impossible.
Can an INHERENT SEE-ER be found? Would anything that is suggested as the see-er, be anything other than a concept/idea/thought?
Right now this concept of me being this body feels so real…
What is Seeing?
This one actually takes “me” out of the body a little bit, and it feels like Seeing is what’s happening in between this body and the object, as if Seeing is happening through the space.
Look at whatever is in front of you. It is seen from the perspective of two windows (eyes) or is it like a windscreen view? Now zoom back in and try to find the thing that’s seeing. Is there seeing separate from what’s seen, or is there just what’s seen? Is there any awareness separate from experience, or is there just experience?
It’s like a widescreen view, but a thought comes: “That's how the brain makes it work,” and again, it’s hard not to believe in it. And if I move the head, the picture changes. It feels like there’s the see-er (via the sensations in the face) and seeing.
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Oh, I feel like “I” have made a few steps back instead of moving forward. My own presence feels so real and undeniable. It feels like any conclusion I make while following any exercise of this kind can be easily swept away with this doubt that we are just playing some mind games through changing my perspective, but some things are unchangeable, like where this perspective is coming from (from me).
I truly want to examine it but, for some reason, find it so hard. Perhaps there’s something I keep on missing, and I carry on walking in circles.
I keep on noticing the thoughts, labels, sensations, etc., but reminding myself that they are just that feels like I’m trying to make myself believe it even though I don’t. So perhaps that was the issue with my previous answers- I looked and oftentimes really saw what I thought I should see but didn’t really feel it deep enough.
I don’t know if I should put more effort into looking to “make it work,” or if the way I presented it now feels right. I’m open to any suggestions and really grateful for your support. <3
With love,
Sylwia