Pernille strongly suggests working with a guide

[warissem]

Good morning

I wish you happy holidays.

[PuppetTC]

This is how to look at thoughts:-
Looking how they come and go, and
Observing the short gap between them.
Noticing how the current thought is passing.
And waiting for the next thought to come.

Please do the following exercise during a whole DAY :
Throughout your waking day, try to observe the gap between thoughts as often as possible. It can be done by noticing that ‘thinking’ is happening right now, then stop and just simply wait for the next thought to come. In the ‘waiting’ there is a gap between two thoughts.

Good day/night,

This practice I do often. I notice pretty quickly when a thought pulls "me in". I notice a "discomfort" and allow/sit and watch...This "I" do all day long. I do this practice with eyes opened and closed. Sometimes just sitting and other times, walking and or sitting in a room with others.

Thank you :)

[warissem]

Good morning

Great, it is nice to know that you are practicing the exercise. I want to know about what is going on : have you noticed a gap between thoughts? this silence between thoughts.

LOOK AT this pointers and the report what is SEEN.

Are you aware of thoughts?
Are you aware when there is no thought?
Are you aware of what is around you in the room?
Are you aware when eyes are closed?
Is "being aware" needs a you, an "I"?

Can you say with a big fat YES that there is no separate self in any shape or form?

Select each question with the quote function and give separate answers.

Warm wishes

[PuppetTC]

I want to know about what is going on : have you noticed a gap between thoughts?

Yes

Are you aware of thoughts?

Yes

Are you aware when there is no thought?

yes

Are you aware of what is around you in the room?

yes

Are you aware when eyes are closed?

yes

Is "being aware" needs a you, an "I"?

no

Can you say with a big fat YES that there is no separate self in any shape or form?

Even though I believe the answer is no, there is NOT a separate self!! There's expectation that "I" should see with eyes that I am also the bed, the floor, the tree etc....Since I have heard of other accounts of people knowing/seeing that they were everything and no thing. I feel hung up here

[warissem]

Good morning

Even though I believe the answer is no, there is NOT a separate self!!

I don't want you to believe in no separate self, I invite you to LOOK AT this separate self and describe it for me.

There's expectation that "I" should see with eyes that I am also the bed, the floor, the tree etc....Since I have heard of other accounts of people knowing/seeing that they were everything and no thing. I feel hung up here

It is a big expectation. You have read books or watched videos of others. Forget all about others. You have to SEE the truth for yourself first hand. Don't lean on what others or warissem say. You need to SEE IT for yourself. That is what I am pointing to. You are aware and you know that you are aware. The "you" is used as an ease to communicate but does "being aware" need an "I", a "you" in the experience right here now? LOOK AT the experience and SEE.
There is a field of experience : seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting and sensations. There are thoughts jumping in and out and they are in the experience. Do you agree with this?
There is awareness of the whole experience right here right now : is it the case?
Now, is there any boundary between awareness and the whole experience?
Is there a separate entity living the experience or this separate entity is just a thought jumping in? LOOK.
Just BE KNOWINGLY AWARE. Is something missing ? Let go of all expectations. The future exist only in thoughts. Just be here now.

Waiting for your feed back.

[PuppetTC]

I don't want you to believe in no separate self, I invite you to LOOK AT this separate self and describe it for me.

It seems it's when awareness /I get tangled with thoughts and believe the thought I/me to be what I am.
When" I" am not hooked by thought I can see the thought I and know it's not referring to anything. It's all thoughts, but I seem to get tangled and believe it to be a ME sometimes.

You are aware and you know that you are aware. The "you" is used as an ease to communicate but does "being aware" need an "I", a "you" in the experience right here now?

NO
.

There is a field of experience : seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting and sensations. There are thoughts jumping in and out and they are in the experience. Do you agree with this?

Yes

There is awareness of the whole experience right here right now : is it the case?

Yes

Now, is there any boundary between awareness and the whole experience?

No

s there a separate entity living the experience or this separate entity is just a thought jumping in?

It is a thought and it seems I either watch the thought pass by or I identify with that and become a ME

THANK YOU

[warissem]

Good morning

It is a thought and it seems I either watch the thought pass by

You mean that you are aware of thoughts, good.

or I identify with that and become a ME[

I am curious about what you said : how an "I" becomes a ME? what is this "I" ? What is this ME? LOOK AT them directly now and SEE : is it an entity with a shape, a sound, a smell, a taste, a sensation?

Have you practiced the exercise about thoughts in the previous post?
If it is so, have you seen that thoughts do not belong to you?
Have you seen that you are not the producer of thoughts? the thinker?
have you seen that there is no you, no separate entity to which thoughts are addressed?
Have you seen that thoughts are insentient, with no agenda?
Have you seen that

"I identify with that and become a ME"

is a thought?

All concepts arising in your mother langage or any other learnt langage are thoughts.
all the mental images are thoughts.

Do you make a difference between thoughts and what is here now as seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching or feeling sensations?
Play with this during a whole day for whatever is showing up : is it direct experience or is it a thought?

Nour

[PuppetTC]

I will report back tomorrow, thank you

[warissem]

Waiting for your insights, you are much welcome.

[PuppetTC]

I am curious about what you said : how an "I" becomes a ME? what is this "I" ? What is this ME? LOOK AT them directly now and SEE : is it an entity with a shape, a sound, a smell, a taste, a sensation?

The I seems to be the questioner and the one typing. I can't find a me

Have you practiced the exercise about thoughts in the previous post?

yes

If it is so, have you seen that thoughts do not belong to you?

yes

Have you seen that you are not the producer of thoughts? the thinker?

yes

have you seen that there is no you, no separate entity to which thoughts are addressed?

I can't find a me/you

Have you seen that thoughts are insentient, with no agenda?
Have you seen that

yes, however it appears that "I" whomever is typing this, believe thoughts sometimes and forget until I go to direct experience.

Do you make a difference between thoughts and what is here now as seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching or feeling sensations?

They are all just happening. Attention has habitually been drawn to thought though... so "I" seem to put attention in seeing, touching and hearing more often now, but sometimes fall back into thought

Play with this during a whole day for whatever is showing up : is it direct experience or is it a thought?

It appears to be direct experience then "I' seem to get caught in thought

[warissem]

Hi

You have missed this important question :
Have you seen that this sentence,

"I identify with that and become a ME"

, is a thought?

Your answers to my previous post are given through thinking. I want you to LOOK AT DIRECT EXPERIENCE and SEE what is going on right here right now. Would you report about what is going on without using all the words you know? LOOK and let me know about your insights.

Best for you

[PuppetTC]

Have you seen that this sentence,
"I identify with that and become a ME"
, is a thought?

yes

Your answers to my previous post are given through thinking. I want you to LOOK AT DIRECT EXPERIENCE and SEE what is going on right here right now. Would you report about what is going on without using all the words you know? LOOK and let me know about your insights.

experience/experiencing

[warissem]

Good morning

Here is a practice to deepen the SEEING that there is no you, no separate self : Read the first question then do the exercise during few minutes. LOOK AT what is going on during the practice then give the answer through what is SEEN. Then go the second question, etc, ...
Give an elobarate separate answer to each question.

1. Hold a hand in front of you; palm turned down.
2. Now turn the palm up. And down...and up and so on.

Watch like a hawk.

Don't go to thoughts – examine your direct experience. Do this as many times as you like, and each time inquire:-

How is the movement controlled?

Does a thought control it?

Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?

How is the decision made to turn the hand over? Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.

Who or what chose which hand - the left or right hand for the exercise?

Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?

Nour

[PuppetTC]

How is the movement controlled?

I don't know an urge?

Does a thought control it?

I Don't know, maybe subtle?

Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?

No

How is the decision made to turn the hand over? Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.

I don't know how it's made, maybe there was a hint of a subtle visual thought?

Who or what chose which hand - the left or right hand for the exercise?

I don't know it seems automatic

Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?

No

[warissem]

Dear Puppet

Are you content with what is going here or there is still seeking?

What has changed from the beginning of our dialog?

Is there something missing?

Can you say with a big fat YES that there is no separate self in any shape or form, there never was, there never will be?

Nour