Seeking freedom from self

[Greengage]

Good morning Lubo

I hope you are well and thank you so much for your great questions :)

Who cause movement of the hand? notice that only God/you can cause something?

So I can't find someone that causes the hand to move. There is the seeing of the hand moving, from left to right. Then there are thoughts about 'how is this hand moving?' And a feeling of wonder about how the hand is moving.

'I' am not the causer of the hand that moves and, from everything else I have looked at, 'I' am not causing anything else to happen either.

Who is speaking ? :)

Funny, I felt a real tingle in my stomach when I first read this. So, like above, the speaking happens. I went into a shop yesterday and ordered a coffee and spoke to the person at the till. It felt spontaneous and there was a feeling of happiness. But no-one behind all of these things. Like it is all here just happening now, by itself.

Is there someone else then the speaker?

No, there is not someone else here. It feels different and I really like what you say, below, about what/who is holding what happens? It is not a someone but it is here with everything. It's very hard to describe :)

Who are you? is just a pointer Where/what this pointer points?

Ok, so I am definitely not the thoughts, not the body, not the sensations, not the sounds and not the seeing. Not even the feelings that are arising from the realisation of all this.

So, it is like, when looking at the hand there is energy moving to looking at the hand but there is nothing there but the seeing and the sensations of the moving hand but this energy is not a 'me' that owns those things. No pointer. Just a movement of energy towards something. Hard to explain!

Who knows this beauty here right now, look?

It feels more like beauty seeing/recognising itself. Like when I was in the garden, yesterday, this 'me' that looks, hears and feels was more like life looking back at itself.

Even the knowing of this beauty is known?

Yes the beauty is known/recognised but it did not feel like it 'belonged to me'.

What/who is holding all this to happen?
Identify with that!

Hmm, I love this question! But I don't know what the answer is. It does feel like a something. So all of this that is happening now is being recognised but it feels very different to something that comes back to me. Hard to describe.

Notice the expectation to find what we are in/as what is found...?

Yes, yes! So in the sensations of looking there is looking and energy moving towards that. This is what I was mistaking for me.

Notice the relief and freedom to find that all these right now is held from you, is there effort? or this is your nature? :)

So it all feels effortless, or almost effortless. The thoughts about 'me doing' are what was causing the feeling of effort/tension/needing to do. There are fewer thoughts about the 'doing' of things. That has been melting away and everything feels so much easier than before. It's lovely.

Hope you are having a good day and looking forward to your questions.

Much love
Greengage

[Lubo]

Hi dear Greengage
Nice exploration :)

So I can't find someone that causes the hand to move.

You are here and you are trying to find yourself, right?
Yes, you cannot find what you are . Whatever is found is only what is found

There is the seeing of the hand moving, from left to right

If we are strictly to non-duality there is a movement of hand in the visual field.

Then there are thoughts about 'how is this hand moving?' And a feeling of wonder about how the hand is moving

Yes, thoughts are supporting our intention.
Notice that the feeling is not personal event? It is happening by itself

It felt spontaneous and there was a feeling of happiness. But no-one behind all of these things. Like it is all here just happening now, by itself.

beautiful! Notice the relief behind this profound discovery that you are speaking with yourself all the time. No one separate from no one.
How does it feel? :)

Ok, so I am definitely not the thoughts, not the body, not the sensations, not the sounds and not the seeing. Not even the feelings that are arising from the realisation of all this.

With eyes closed:
Where the thoughts are coming from?
Where the feelings and sensations are coming from?
Is there a none or whatever is found is a verb, appear right now as...it is?
Is there " a me"/ is there a none?
Or the only subject, this wich doesn't move is you/ vast/no body/ God?

Love,
lubo

[Greengage]

Good afternoon Lubo

I hope you are having a good day and thank you for your great questions, again :)

beautiful! Notice the relief behind this profound discovery that you are speaking with yourself all the time. No one separate from no one.
How does it feel? :)

So, before it would feel very different - like a separate person talking to another separate person. Talking to someone now feels fluid and natural and like 'I' can hear them with all my being. It feels very freeing and, at the same time, connecting to recognise this.

With eyes closed:
Where the thoughts are coming from?

What has been noticed about thoughts is that when attention moves to them they disappear. There is often a sensation in the head that comes along with it and there have been thoughts that the thoughts are coming from the head/the mind in the head. However, when attention turns to the sensations in the head they also dissolve.

So, I cannot see from where the thoughts come but they seem to come out of nowhere.

Where the feelings and sensations are coming from?

This was a really interesting one. So, I was lying on the floor and there were thoughts about sensations coming from different parts of my body. When attention moved towards the sensations they disappeared. So it is like, the sensations appear but cannot be found anywhere (make sense?)

Is there a none or whatever is found is a verb, appear right now as...it is?

This is a beautiful question. I have been sitting with this one in the garden. So there is 'no-one' but rather something that appears in each moment; feeling at home in each moment and recognising the wonder and beauty of whatever there is.

I agree with 'whatever is found is a verb, appear right now as...it is?'. It's hard to explain exactly but may be what I have said above communicates enough. It is like just flowing along a stream, knowing what is there but without grabbing on to the side looking for a stable vantage point to look from and thinking that stable vantage point is 'me' seeing everything.

Is there " a me"/ is there a none?

No 'me' and no 'one' but a knowing of what is.

Or the only subject, this wich doesn't move is you/ vast/no body/ God

Yes there is just the subject to which everything appears and which knows what is. It feels vast, open and like home.

I look forward to hearing back from you :)
Love Greengage

[Lubo]

Wow Greengage, so beautiful to read you!

Talking to someone now feels fluid and natural and like 'I' can hear them with all my being. It feels very freeing and, at the same time, connecting to recognise this.

Yes, connection is so natural, one energy, one...

Now I want to investigate is there a things, materiel here:

There is often a sensation in the head that comes along with it and there have been thoughts that the thoughts are coming from the head/the mind in the head. However, when attention turns to the sensations in the head they also dissolve.

There is a head existing- notice on the TV screen there are a lot of heads but in reality is there head exist or only experience appear in the screen?
In the same way, notice that in the visual field there are heads experience pops up?
When you watch a boxing match on TV, there's a lot of blood and punches from the fight, but that's not proof that it's all real, just what appears on the show?
Is there any "me" on the screen?

So, I cannot see from where the thoughts come but they seem to come out of nowhere.

Yes and instead to see the whole picture , what this show looks like,
we are fascinated by the narrator narrating about someone on the screen.
How this resonate with you?

Can you find what is going on here without believing that you are the storyteller?
Imagine the thoughts are coming from a black whole/nowhere and they disappear in the space.
What you are? :)

This is a beautiful question. I have been sitting with this one in the garden. So there is 'no-one' but rather something that appears in each moment; feeling at home in each moment and recognising the wonder and beauty of whatever there is.

Yes, home! I like that. You can trust that this divine dream is your gift, you are not here for suffering and surviving
You are gifted <3

I agree with 'whatever is found is a verb, appear right now as...it is?'.

Verb, yes! life is just an experience, no none. Prana, energy...


I am so happy for you.

Love
Lubo

[Greengage]

Good morning dear Lubo

I hope you are doing well and thanks again for the great questions :)

There is a head existing- notice on the TV screen there are a lot of heads but in reality is there head exist or only experience appear in the screen?

There is just the appearance of this thing called 'head'. The 'head' is made up from many things but in reality 'the head' does not exist. It is a convenient label for a thing.

In a way it just becomes more obvious when looking at a head on a screen but it is just an appearance of something all the same.

In the same way, notice that in the visual field there are heads experience pops up?

Ha ha, yes no real difference between seeing on a TV screen and when a head pops up in the visual field :)

When you watch a boxing match on TV, there's a lot of blood and punches from the fight, but that's not proof that it's all real, just what appears on the show?

Interesting. This felt harder to answer in some way than the first two questions. So blood and punches are what appears on screen. It is an appearance of something happening in the visual field, the same as heads popping up.

Is there any "me" on the screen?

Nope :)

"So, I cannot see from where the thoughts come but they seem to come out of nowhere"

Yes and instead to see the whole picture , what this show looks like,
we are fascinated by the narrator narrating about someone on the screen.
How this resonate with you?

Yes, the thoughts have definitely moved more into the background now. So, ‘I’ feel much less ‘caught up’ in thoughts than before. They are just here with everything else and are seen more as just being a story about something.

Can you find what is going on here without believing that you are the storyteller?

Yes, because the thoughts are more in the background, the picture seems wider and more panoramic than before. This process has definitely made ‘me’ see through the idea of a storyteller and thoughts ‘being real’. Thoughts are just thoughts now. No-one to get caught up in them.

Imagine the thoughts are coming from a black whole/nowhere and they disappear in the space. What you are? :)

Hmm…something that it also coming from and disappearing into this space also:) I really love what you said about everything being prana/energy.

Look forward to hearing back from you.
Love Greengage

[Lubo]

Nice!

I hope you are doing well and thanks again for the great questions :)

It is joy to play with you :)

Interesting. This felt harder to answer in some way than the first two questions. So blood and punches are what appears on screen. It is an appearance of something happening in the visual field, the same as heads popping up.

Yes, notice why?
Notice that there is an identification with the "main character called ME" - identification = story about a character.

Yes, because the thoughts are more in the background, the picture seems wider and more panoramic than before. This process has definitely made ‘me’ see through the idea of a storyteller and thoughts ‘being real’.

Notice the whole picture: visual field=the screen of the Divine 5D show
You are God, playing with this divine game and identifying this exact face to be a character Greengage, with all attributes, family, friends, job...everything wich can help full experience of life called Greengage's Life
Now we are looking that there is no Greengage who lives his own life?
Notice that you are God, produsing thoughts and believes and capacity of Greengage.
Now freedom is to find that you no longer need to play this role?
You are not Greengage - notice does the visual field have an idea what role is playing right now?
What kind imagined character is reading this? - notice that there is reading going on right now, but the thoughts and feelings and imagination is something different then what is going on?

Does the feelings know that they are part of the Imagined character life?

Imagine the thoughts are coming from a black whole/nowhere and they disappear in the space. What you are? :)

Hmm…something that it also coming from and disappearing into this space also:) I really love what you said about everything being prana/energy

Does the prana knows that it is here? is this you experience?
Why you need to be prana? it is like rainbow - is this you?

You are here, you are the black whole and you are playing small and persona and body because no one tells you what is going on here.

It is sound very complicated...
Just notice right now without identifying with the imagined character - that you are nobody? but you are here?
and you are not what is going on here?
You are home and this here is light of love. Right now as it is? :)

What is coming?

Love,
Lubo

[Greengage]

Good evening dear Lubo :)

I hope you have had a good day today. Great questions again. Thanks :)

Yes, notice why?
Notice that there is an identification with the "main character called ME" - identification = story about a character

Yes, there is the visual field and then a story about it but the story is just a story and not 'real'.

Notice the whole picture: visual field=the screen of the Divine 5D show
You are God, playing with this divine game and identifying this exact face to be a character Greengage, with all attributes, family, friends, job...everything wich can help full experience of life called Greengage's Life
Now we are looking that there is no Greengage who lives his own life?

Yes, yes. So, yesterday, I noticed the stories coming in again - about me and other people. The stories don't feel 'right' anymore - no need to add to what is, and no knowing of what 'is' if the stories are believed.

Notice that you are God, produsing thoughts and believes and capacity of Greengage.
Now freedom is to find that you no longer need to play this role?

Yep, yep. Life is so much fuller and easier without identifying with any stories about me, past, present or future. Life is so limiting when looking at stories about me, things and people. The stories are not real and just what they are - stories. I am not the stories and life does not have to be limited by believing in them.

You are not Greengage - notice does the visual field have an idea what role is playing right now?

No, the visual field does not have any idea what role it is playing now. It is just there with everything and does not ask to be looked at in any particular way.

What kind imagined character is reading this? - notice that there is reading going on right now, but the thoughts and feelings and imagination is something different then what is going on?

Yes, there are the words, reading and typing. Just a response to what is there without a character here to respond.

Does the feelings know that they are part of the Imagined character life?

No feelings are just here without any character needed. They are not asking to be noticed or thought about in any way. They are just here with everything else and a story about them is not needed.

Does the prana knows that it is here? is this you experience?

I am not the prana, no, but everything else is. There is just the knowing of this prana/the presence with the prana and this knowing/presence is what I am

Why you need to be prana? it is like rainbow - is this you?

No I would like to be a rainbow but I am the one who knows the rainbow.

You are here, you are the black whole and you are playing small and persona and body because no one tells you what is going on here.
It is sound very complicated...
Just notice right now without identifying with the imagined character - that you are nobody? but you are here?
and you are not what is going on here?

Yes, I am a nobody but I am much more than that. I am not the experience but I am the thing that knows the experience.

You are home and this here is light of love. Right now as it is? :)

Yes, I am here with what 'is' in its' amazing simplicity and wonder. What a gift it is to know what I really am and feel at home with what I truly am.

What is coming?
The joy of recognising that 'I' am not to be found in anything but I am here and with life. Relief to know that I not a story and a sense of wonder about life.

Much love,
Greengage :)

[Lubo]

Hi dear Greengage,
I like your sense of humor, you are more beautiful then the rainbow :)

The joy of recognising that 'I' am not to be found in anything but I am here and with life. Relief to know that I not a story and a sense of wonder about life.

I like that you can SEE you are not the story.
What is to find that you are not a persona?


Some advanced questions, investigate with curiosity
who/what are you when waking up in the morning appears?

where were you before you woke up here?

How did you travel to get here?

Love
Lubo

[Greengage]

Hello dear Lubo

I hope you are well and it has been a joy looking into your questions :)

I like that you can SEE you are not the story.
What is to find that you are not a persona?

It feels very freeing right? So, at the moment there have been lots of thoughts about someone I have been interacting with at work. Lots of thoughts going round about 'what if they are thinking this?' or 'what if this happens?' - no resolution and no answer just more thoughts about thoughts.

But from knowing what really happens when talking to someone, and there have been lots of thoughts like the above, there is still clear seeing in that moment. Everything beforehand is just a story about 'what they might be thinking?' or 'what might happen? But what happens in the moment happens and, without referring to thoughts, a clear response happens to what is happening in that moment. It is so wonderful to see this. No 'I think this' and 'you are this person'. Just a heart-felt response in this moment without stories about 'me' and 'them'.

Some advanced questions, investigate with curiosity
who/what are you when waking up in the morning appears?

So this is interesting. On waking there is light, things in the visual field and then thoughts about 'waking up' and 'feeling sleepy'. Still no person to be found in these things but there is that moment of coming out of nothingness with no memory of where this presence was in the moment before waking.

where were you before you woke up here?

I don't know! This is a great question but there was nothing that I could see by looking.

How did you travel to get here?

Similar to the above in that this presence cannot be found departing or arriving. Just sleep and blankness and in the morning, it is there again.

I hope you are having a lovely weekend.

Much love
Greengage

[Lubo]

Hi dear Greengage,

So, at the moment there have been lots of thoughts about someone I have been interacting with at work. Lots of thoughts going round about 'what if they are thinking this?' or 'what if this happens?' - no resolution and no answer just more thoughts about thoughts.

Look right now - there are thoughts - but do you know what you are ?

'what might happen?

Notice that this one who doesn't deserve something beautiful to happen
is the story wich you are free from?

But from knowing what really happens

Change "from knowing" with " From seeing" - and share what is the difference?

a clear response happens to what is happening in that moment. It is so wonderful to see this

Yes, amassing!
That you can notice where the right response is coming from!

there is that moment of coming out of nothingness with no memory of where this presence was in the moment before waking.

Yes and you found that you were there to know that there is nothing.
and now in the nothing appear this beauty and you know that?
Do you know what you are?
Persona?
:)

Love,
Lubo

[Greengage]

Good afternoon dear Lubo

Look right now - there are thoughts - but do you know what you are ?

So it is clear that there are thoughts and there is no 'me' to be found in them. They are just stories about past, present and future. They are not 'real' or 'true'.

There is little interest in the stories, anymore; even the ones that were about 'me' in the past or what happened in the past. It is clear they are just thoughts about thoughts that go round looking for an explanation or reason and trying to 'solve a problem' or labelling what is happening or wanting ot predict what might happen next.

Do I know what I am? I really don't now. I am clearly not the seeing. hearing, tasting, smelling etc so it is clear who 'I' thought I was is not true. It is like right here and now there is a stage that life is unfolding on. The stage does not worry about what is happening - that is just thoughts. There are feelings that arise in response to seeing what I am not but they are not me. There is clarity and a sense of freedom. I know there are various ways of referring to what 'this' is such as presence/awareness/consciousness but all I can say is what I am not. So what 'I' am is 'nothing' but there is so much here now that has been seen.

Notice that this one who doesn't deserve something beautiful to happen
is the story wich you are free from?

Yes absolutely. Before there were lots of thoughts, feelings and doubts about realising the truth in things. Thoughts that 'it will take years' or 'it only happens to other people and not me'. It is clear that this can happen for anyone who knows how to look. There are no thoughts about not feeling worthy or deserving of something that is true nature or finding out the truth about things.

Change "from knowing" with " From seeing" - and share what is the difference?

Yes, now that you have said that it does feel a much more accurate way of describing it. Speaking is just happening but there is no knowing about what is about to said. Just a seeing and hearing as the experience unfolds and feelings about.

Yes and you found that you were there to know that there is nothing.
and now in the nothing appear this beauty and you know that?

Yes so what is seen, heard etc is 'just this' and there is a fundamental peace with what is. Everything is more rich and vivid.

Do you know what you are?

No, just a something that is here.

Persona?

No; no personality or past, present or future thoughts or imagination about 'what I am, or was, or will be'. These are all just thoughts and I am not that. There is just what is happening now and a presence with what is.

Much love
Greengage

[Lubo]

Hi dear Greengage,

Nice!

Do I know what I am? I really don't now. I am clearly not the seeing. hearing, tasting, smelling etc so it is clear who 'I' thought I was is not true. It is like right here and now there is a stage that life is unfolding on. The stage does not worry about what is happening

Yes, you don't know what you are! Stay here.
Notice are you persona?
or body ?
or any shape and form?
or any experience?
Stage - Yes!
Who can worry ?
Is there someone else then the "stage"/you/God?

Love,
Lubo

[Greengage]

Dear Lubo

Hi!

Yes, you don't know what you are! Stay here.

Good, good! No need to 'know' or label what 'this' is.

Notice are you persona?

No. No persona to be found in anything. Just this sense of 'being' here with what is happening.

or body ?

No 'me' to be found in the body. It is clear the body moves, walks, breathes etc without any 'me' doing any of that.

or any shape and form?

No 'me' in this.

or any experience?

..or this.

Stage - Yes!

Yes, this something/somewhat that all things appear to.

Who can worry ?

No-one. There are just thoughts about thoughts and sensations arising from thoughts but no personal thing to which these all appear.

Is there someone else then the "stage"/you/God?

No, there is no watcher of the stage. The 'stage' is this beingness to which all appearances unfold and move through.

Much love
Greengage

[Lubo]

Hi dear Greengage,

Just this sense of 'being' here with what is happening.

Now look deep in this sense and notice if there any conflicts with it?
This is healing work, not question wich needs answer.
Check and honestly share

No 'me' to be found in the body. It is clear the body moves, walks, breathes etc without any 'me' doing any of that.

Mmm, does the body is someone? Body - subject is moving?
What makes body to move?

Look what you find here:

Stage - Yes!

Yes, this something/somewhat that all things appear to.

Greengage, we are looking here for real shift, not an intellectual understanding. This is your investigation. This is not to achieve education certificate.
Look for the shift. Work until shift happen.
When shift happens, there is no doubt.
Doubt is not a problem, no need to fix it. This is the evidence that shift is not here.

No, there is no watcher of the stage. The 'stage' is this beingness to which all appearances unfold and move through.

Yes. Now let's shift happen effortlessly and me/persona die by itself.

Sending love,
Lubo