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Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 6:33 am
Good morning Magdalena!
I am ready to look.
With Love
Jade
I am ready to look.
With Love
Jade
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So let’s look into what is referred to as “body” – how real is it?movement in my body
There are just sensationsIs it a head, or is it just a sensation labelled ‘pressure’ and a story ABOUT a head?
Just sensations.Is a head actually found, or are there just sensations again?
There are just fields of sensation. To say there is something ‘between’ doesn’t make sense when looking. (Very strange experience again)And is there anything between the pressure points, or is it just a thought that says there must be something between them?
NoCan it be known how tall the body is?
NoDoes the body have a weight or volume?
There is no ‘the body’ there are fields of sensation that move and shift. They have vague shapes, but are not still.In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?
This question seems so strange. No. There is connection or contact between body and clothing, so the opposite of boundary/distinction.Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing?
I can feel myself imagining one. If I let go all I get is a feeling of floating on clouds complete loss of heaviness. As if gravity disappeared and everything was floating with and around me. And there is differences in intensity of feeling, there I can create boundaries if I want to. But I need to ‘make’ them, they are not just there.Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?
Very convoluted here. Its like everything is just experienced? What would usually be called ‘inside’ is just black emptiness felt and what would be called ‘outside’ is light emptiness experienced. Something like this?Is there an inside or an outside?
No ideaIf there is an inside - the inside of what exactly?
No ideaIf there is an outside - the outside of what exactly?
Fields of more or less intense sensation. When there is a reaction to any of these sensations (I don’t want it for example) there is tension and more heaviness – this is what the label ‘the body’ might be used for.What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?
No idea, again just sensations. It feels like I am not seeing clearly here.What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?
try and take a peek behind the resistance etc.– what is it that it’s there to do? Like, hide something? Protect something? Prevent something? What’s it there for?investigation [is] accompanied by resistance and looking for distractions,
Is it that “you” “make” them, or that they simply appear to be there, and so we’re just so used to living with an assumption that they are really there – without bothering to look and check?I can create boundaries if I want to. But I need to ‘make’ them, they are not just there.
Take another look: is what you call “black emptiness” any different from “light emptiness”? Or are they the same? LOOK.What would usually be called ‘inside’ is just black emptiness felt and what would be called ‘outside’ is light emptiness experienced.
What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?
Oh you ARE seeing very, very clearly.No idea, again just sensations. It feels like I am not seeing clearly here.
Oh that was loud and clear. When reading the inquiry prompts the thought came: "They took my agency, they are not getting my body." I just took that to be the ego revolting a little, I let it be, noted the resistance and attempt to distract from the enquiry. I did not fight it and when there was an opening/readiness I just looked.try and take a peek behind the resistance
They appear to be there from a certain perspective. When actually looking/checking they are not there.Is it that “you” “make” them, or that they simply appear to be there, and so we’re just so used to living with an assumption that they are really there – without bothering to look and check?
It is the same but different. Like different shades of the same, different intensities of the same.Take another look: is what you call “black emptiness” any different from “light emptiness”? Or are they the same? LOOK.
With other investigations there was a sense of surprise and a “oh wow I SEE”, which didn’t occur this time.Oh you ARE seeing very, very clearly.
Is that initial resistance about this?
Is there any fear?
Entertaining, eh? The poor little “me” putting up its heroic defences against some mysterious “them”?… the thought came: "They took my agency, they are not getting my body."
Perfect. No need to fight it once it’s seen for what it is.I did not fight it and when there was an opening/readiness I just looked.
Time for a Nature Exercise now that the weekend is coming :-)It is the same but different. Like different shades of the same, different intensities of the same.
Yes, this can happen and it helps to be aware of it.This feeling of interest/delight/surprise might have become an expectation when looking and also became a measurement of the quality of looking.
Very cloak and dagger indeed. My very own big brother/spy adventure haha.Entertaining, eh? The poor little “me” putting up its heroic defences against some mysterious “them”?
There is no inside of life and outside of life. Everything is included in the movement of the whole. There is no witness apart from movement.Time for a Nature Exercise now that the weekend is coming :-)
NoCan be known how tall the body is?
NoDoes the body have a specific size, shape or weight?
– feet are blobs of sensation moving, no differentiation at allHow many toes are there?
There was no connection.Is there any connection between the felt sensations and the image in the mirror?
Or just thoughts (and/or mental images) suggest that there is?
NoIs there any connection between the felt sensations (labelled ‘hand’) and image of movement in the mirror?
No – there was just surprise and astonishment no connections between labels and experiences.Is there any connection between the felt sensations (labelled “hand”) and the image “of movement”? Or only thoughts suggest it?
No self – just a composition of moving shapes and colours(5) Does the image by itself suggest in any way that is “you” or “your body”?
Does the image itself suggest in any way that it is a “body” at all?
Or are there only colours and shapes?
No indication.(6) Where the mirror ends, some parts of the body (probably legs) cannot be seen.
Just by the image in the mirror, is there any “knowledge” that there must be legs, or only thoughts and mental images suggest so?
No(7) Now turn away from the mirror and look forward (don’t look directly to any body parts).
Is there a ‘body’ anywhere when all thoughts and images are ignored, or are there only sensations?
If feels more like a continuous movement of different speeds. Some shapes move faster, some slower. If ‘walking’ is this movement than it can be found, otherwise no.(8) Start to walk slowly.
Is there a “body walking”, or are there only sensations?
Is there actual experience of “walking” at all?
Or just THOUGHTS ABOUT “walking”?
Can such a thing as “body” be found OR just THOUGHTS ABOUT a “body”? Can such a thing as “walking” be found?
Oh this is a better description, there are just appearing and disappearing sensations.(9) Are the sensations localized in space, like ‘going through the room’; OR is there only an image that is labelled ‘room’ and appearing sensations without any location?
Can it be that you’re pushing too hard? Straining yourself unduly? Why not simply be curious and look into things to see what’s in there to be seen?What is interesting is the instant gut tightening-feeling of tension when reading your instructions guiding the seeing, when looking is imagined/planned/projected as a future task. … What is there is exhaustion, overwhelm and wanting distraction, once all that settles and there is seeing, there is peace.
I love this pointer. Just rest and seeing will unfold.Why not simply be curious and look into things to see what’s in there to be seen?
The wish arising is to drop this identity entirely not just temporarily.What if that identity of one who wants to fully see through the self illusion is put aside – temporarily?
The other pointers/prompts brought rest and peace, compassion and openness. This one perturbs. It touches on agency and the difference the 'I' can make. There is unwillingness to release. There is no rest here, no curiosity.No need to take all this so very seriously. Things already are as they are (hence the peace at seeing: it is all good), and so whether Jade resists it or not does not change anything, does it? Whether Jade believes she needs to make effort to do the seeing or not likewise makes no difference, right?
That’s not really what I meant. The way I see it, compassion and self-compassion are both concepts invented to talk about experiences which are not sincerely accepted or embraced. They are not at all relevant here.… what I thought was self-compassion (being ok with resistance, not judging it, but pushing through when possible) was not quite compassionate …
It will or it will not. There's no way of knowing.Just rest and seeing will unfold.
I know what you mean.The wish arising is to drop this identity entirely not just temporarily.
So why not let Life take care of this?The other pointers/prompts brought rest and peace, compassion and openness. This one perturbs. It touches on agency and the difference the 'I' can make. There is unwillingness to release. There is no rest here, no curiosity.
To me (self)compassion is a word to stop the mind chatter to allow space for seeing.Who needs (self-)compassion once it is seen that everything, literally everything, is as it is – including resistance, no resistance, being ok with resistance, not being ok with resistance, judging or not judging, pushing or not pushing etc. etc.
All of this is ok.Aren't all these essentially - thought stories?
Isn't it ok for them to be here?
Isn't it ok for Jade to like some parts of it and dislike others?
Just rest and seeing will unfold.
It will or it will not. There's no way of knowing.
Which means you can just as well rest if you feel like it. Go look for distractions (and enjoy them shamelessly) if you feel like it. Forget all the inquiry, exercises, what not. Take a break. Enjoy the spring.
A lot of sleep was needed.You think it matters if/how/when Jade sees through the illusion?
You think it makes any difference to Life?
It’s already what it is, including Jade, her desires, her ambitions, her wanting distractions – and there is nothing wrong with any of it.
So you can just as well relax and enjoy.
I see there is no choice, there is nothing to do - to let go/drop/let Life take care of it - Life always does. There is no chooser to make a choice and there is no choice as everything is as it is - nothing to choose from, no options to compare.The wish arising is to drop this identity entirely not just temporarily.
I know what you mean.
So drop it for good if you can RIGHT HERE THIS MINUTE. Stop pretending to be the seeker Jade RIGHT NOW.
Or, if you can’t, make a pact with yourself to drop it just for some time.
Like, pretend it’s not there for two or three days, just for fun.
Live like it’s not there.
If it sounds contradictory to what was suggested above, go for one of the options.
If not, try out both at once.
There are no rules.
You are free already (even if it does not seem like it at all), with all your wishes, desires, hopes, expectations and all – just as THIS is already here.
The other pointers/prompts brought rest and peace, compassion and openness. This one perturbs. It touches on agency and the difference the 'I' can make. There is unwillingness to release. There is no rest here, no curiosity.
So why not let Life take care of this?
It’s got its ways to show you who’s boss. Pull the rug from under your feet so you can’t miss it. There is no need to release anything then, and there can be no doubt.
is restful and calm.there is no choice, there is nothing to do - to let go/drop/let Life take care of it - Life always does. There is no chooser to make a choice and there is no choice as everything is as it is - nothing to choose from, no options to compare.
When you use the label “self-compassion”, how does it really feel, i.e. what bodily sensations is it applied to?To me (self)compassion is a word to stop the mind chatter to allow space for seeing.
Good. Doesn’t it feel kind of natural, spontaneous and comfortable, to follow one’s gut feeling on what to do next – like, keep doing the looking, or fully enjoy being distracted? (Not that there’s a choice ;-) This is not a task to accomplish, and there is no deadline. No one will receive a bonus or anything. ;-)That's exactly what happened.
Nice ;-)A lot of sleep was needed.
Yes.I see there is no choice, there is nothing to do - to let go/drop/let Life take care of it - Life always does. There is no chooser to make a choice and there is no choice as everything is as it is - nothing to choose from, no options to compare.
Can you stop pretending to be the seeker Jade RIGHT NOW?
If you can’t, can you make a pact with yourself to try and drop this identity just for some time?
Like, pretend it’s not there for two or three days, just for fun?
Live like it’s not there?