The Gate

Yes!

That can be how it feels to be awake.

Can you say 100% that there is no separate "self? "

Loving,

Can you say 100% that there is no separate "self? “

What is interesting, is this recognition of no separate “self" is so subtle, so ordinary.

It feels like I don’t believe in Santa Claus anymore. It feels like I have always known there was no separate “self” on some level. Even when I found out there was no Santa Claus as a kid, I continued to pretend to go along with the game, because I did not want reality to be true.

All I can say is that I can’t pretend there is a separate “self” anymore, that is clear, although there there seems to be some integration required to live from that understanding.

Yes! Good work!

There is a lot of integration to that has to happen. We have a few support groups to help you with that. But first let's look at another aspect of having no self.

Palm Flipping Exercise

1. Hold a hand in front of you; palm turned down.

2. Now turn the palm up. And down...and up and so on.

Watch like a hawk.

Don't go to thoughts – examine your direct experience.

Do this as many times as you like, and each time inquire:

How is the movement controlled?

Does a thought control it?

Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?

How is the decision made to turn the hand over?

Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.

Who or what ​ chose which hand - the left or right hand for the exercise?

Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?

I'm going to send a separate post about the meetings because there is one later today.

Loving,

MEETINGS

There are 3 meetings.

Vince Shubert runs one on the weekends. Write to vinceschubert@gmail.com for the link & schedule. There's one in a few hours.

Luchana & Lubo run one on Thursdays. Write to Luchana at luchanauzunova@gmail.com

Ilona holds a monthly meeting. Write admin@ilonaciunaite.com for that link & schedule.

Loving

Palm Flipping Exercise
1. Hold a hand in front of you; palm turned down.
2. Now turn the palm up. And down...and up and so on.
Watch like a hawk.
Don't go to thoughts – examine your direct experience.
Do this as many times as you like, and each time inquire:

How is the movement controlled?

I don’t know

Does a thought control it?

No

Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?

No

How is the decision made to turn the hand over?

I don’t really know. Feels strange, thought doesn’t seem to be doing it.

Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.

I can’t find the “point of decision” .

Who or what ​ chose which hand - the left or right hand for the exercise?

Too funny. As I read this question I realized no “who or what” chose anything, it was a mechanical happening .

Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?

No. There is a sense of relief with this exercise, it is just another simple verification, no separate “self” is doing anything.


Thank you for the group meeting times. 🙏

Great.

We have some traditional "final" questions. Are you ready to answer those?[/color

Loving,

We have some traditional "final" questions. Are you ready to answer those?

Yes.

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?


Loving,

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

NO.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

Right from the earliest memory of childhood I seem to have had a sense of a separate self , and others. I was programmed early on with behaviours, beliefs, etc.

Although, there was an incidence when I was four years old in my parents living room with brothers and sisters, where I instantly WOKE UP, and in that moment I saw that everything was a “lie”. I remember the AWE and wonder of it, then it seem to disappear. As I write this, for the first time I see it never actually disappeared it just seemed to. But, for an instant I knew that nothing in that room was true the way I was being told it was true, there was a brief moment of Freedom beyond appearance. I still remember the intelligence/wisdom or should say awareness of that moment. The intelligence/wisdom (awareness) of that moment at the age of four was no different, than what is here right now. at age 66.

I had no control over the programming I received in coming to believe “ a sense of a separate self’ . Nor did I have control over the taste of awakening at age four.

The sense of a separate “self”, is just a belief reenforced over and over again, by believing the same old programming, until there is a burning desire to know something different.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

It feels like something got verified that I have always known, now there is a desire to come to live this understanding deeply. It is time to integrate..

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

As I did the exercises there was a growing awareness that I always knew on some level the truth that there was no separate “self”, no one thing pushed me over. It just felt like the exercises verified an inherent Truth and there is a strong desire here now to accept the Truth, instead of still believing in Santa Claus.

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

This question made me laugh. There is no one to make a decision. I used to be an aggressive person, bull- dozed my way through life….even as I was doing that I often wondered “why am I such a bully?”…it did not feel like I chose to be that way. Then I started studying spiritual principles…How did that happen? It just happened. I started to learn new ways of behaviour, how did that happen? It just happened . There is a sense that I am puppet….I am not pulling the strings, I don’t know who or what is operating the strings .

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

There is no separate self to make an intention, or follow through on an intention. “I" can not “do” anything, I am being “done”. If an intention is supposed to be made and kept it will happen, if not, it won’t. I intended at the beginning of the year to do a course in miracle lesson every day….I lasted 4 four months than something else caught my eye. I had an intense desire, an intension, to awakened…it has happened and continues to deepen, but not in anyway close to how the ego-mind thought awakening would happen.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

For whom would there be “free will”? There is no separate entity to have free will. Life happens. I was born to a very abusive family, we were poor, in a small town in Nova Scotia Canada. By the time I was 23 years of age I was living in Florida married to a University Professor, I ended up getting two degrees, had my own business, etc, etc. Now I live back in Canada, living very simply and quietly in retirement, with the only desire to deepen awakening. How did that all happen, it was not my will for all those things to happen, the little girl from Nova Scotia did not even have the ability to dream all that.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

Who is choosing? There is no separate self to choose. If I could really choose, then I would be able to win the lottery. I would choose a different personality if I could. There seems to be an appearance of choice if one does not “look”, closely. With close “looking” there is no chooser.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

There is no separate self to have control. I have no control that I won't get in a car accident later today, I can do my best to drive carefully, but I cannot control other forces. Even, if I decided only to walk everywhere, it does not mean I would not get hit by a car. I have a friend that was standing on a sidewalk, waiting for a bus with her mother, I car drove up on the sidewalk and took both of them out. Life happens the way is happens, despite how much we try to control.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

I don’t know. I will never know, that is part of the mystery of life.

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

If there is no “doer”, how can one be responsible. And, the entire idea of responsibility varies depending on culture or environment. But, I do I find myself to naturally moving toward a deeper sense of kindness, sensitivity, and caring towards other as I awaken . I can genuinely experience a deeper need to “do no harm” . When I say something nasty to someone, it seems to hurt me more than them.

Beautiful.

Your answers will be shared with other guides, who may have questions. Stay tuned!

Loving,

No one had questions. Our work here is complete.

Watch for another email here.

Have I shared our groups with you? They can be very useful as you integrate.

There are 3 meetings.

Vince Shubert runs one on the weekends. Write to vinceschubert@gmail.com for the link & schedule.

Luchana & Lubo run one on Thursdays. Write to Luchana at luchanauzunova@gmail.com

Ilona holds a monthly meeting. Write admin@ilonaciunaite.com for that link & schedule

Loving,

Thanks Stacy ! 🙏

You are welcome