Can you look for whatever thought is present at the moment:
Where this thought is coming from? Please, try to spot an EXACT place.
And where it is going to? - try to spot an EXACT place.
What do you find?
Well there is no "i". When looking for "i" it is not seen anywhere. So if there is no "i" how can thought be present?
Thought cannot be found in the present moment. I would say No.If there is no one here, who would be looking? thoughts disappear and appear. Where is it going too? the exact space? I would have to say, there is no place. When looking, thought, is identity, identity is thought, claiming to be. When looking, what do i find? Just this! Beingness...Its beautiful, silence, calm, quietness...There are just no words
Thank you Luchana
ok
Re: ok
I have a question. Being that i recognise, no self, there seems to be automatic behaviors, that happen alot. I feel frustrated when doing the day, thoughts come up and I find myself talking out loud to what it is saying and answering back.That feels uncomfortable. When that happens, it is catched, realizing that
i am talking to no one. Certain behaviors still carry on
i am talking to no one. Certain behaviors still carry on
Re: ok
Hi dear Indira,
This is what we are going to look further when we meet,
Sending love,
Luchana
Beautiful!IF I had a name for this place, it would be called Home. This brings tears to my eyes...
yea, this is common. Old patterns, trauma and conditions still operates...but in a way it becomes easier to look at those the moment when they are arrising.I have a question. Being that i recognise, no self, there seems to be automatic behaviors, that happen alot. I feel frustrated when doing the day, thoughts come up and I find myself talking out loud to what it is saying and answering back.That feels uncomfortable. When that happens, it is catched, realizing that
i am talking to no one. Certain behaviors still carry on
This is what we are going to look further when we meet,
Sending love,
Luchana
If you wonder what it’s like living nonduality in everyday life?
https://awakeningawakened.com/2022/10/2 ... onduality/
https://awakeningawakened.com/2022/10/2 ... onduality/
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Hi Indira,
thank you for your openness and willingness to look and go deeper.
Here is something to look and explore:
In the morning when you wake up stay for a while in bed , than slowly get up and look:
Where the impulse to get up comes from?
Is it a thought which is doing that?
A body?
Right leg, left leg?
Is there a director of the movements?
If yes - where exactly is it located?
Sending love,
Luchana
thank you for your openness and willingness to look and go deeper.
Here is something to look and explore:
In the morning when you wake up stay for a while in bed , than slowly get up and look:
Where the impulse to get up comes from?
Is it a thought which is doing that?
A body?
Right leg, left leg?
Is there a director of the movements?
If yes - where exactly is it located?
Sending love,
Luchana
If you wonder what it’s like living nonduality in everyday life?
https://awakeningawakened.com/2022/10/2 ... onduality/
https://awakeningawakened.com/2022/10/2 ... onduality/
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Hello Luchana, thank you for the questions
Where the impulse to get up comes from?
Is it a thought which is doing that?
A body?
Right leg, left leg?
Is there a director of the movements?
If yes - where exactly is it located?
Where is the impulse to get up and and come from? There is an automatic reaction that this body does, to get up and do what it needs to do. I do not know where the impulse is coming from, I sense No where
Is it a thought which is doing that? No, thought only chats, it does not make this body do anything. I will say, that it seems, what ever I am doing, thought comes up and labels the action. Thought does not do it. When i really look.
A body, right leg, left leg? not sure what you mean by that question. Could you be more specific with that question?
Is there a director of the movements? there seems to be thoughts that claims as a director, character of Indira and yet when I really look, there is no director, only thoughts claiming responcibilty. I see no director.
Where the impulse to get up comes from?
Is it a thought which is doing that?
A body?
Right leg, left leg?
Is there a director of the movements?
If yes - where exactly is it located?
Where is the impulse to get up and and come from? There is an automatic reaction that this body does, to get up and do what it needs to do. I do not know where the impulse is coming from, I sense No where
Is it a thought which is doing that? No, thought only chats, it does not make this body do anything. I will say, that it seems, what ever I am doing, thought comes up and labels the action. Thought does not do it. When i really look.
A body, right leg, left leg? not sure what you mean by that question. Could you be more specific with that question?
Is there a director of the movements? there seems to be thoughts that claims as a director, character of Indira and yet when I really look, there is no director, only thoughts claiming responcibilty. I see no director.
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Hi Indira,
you did a very good looking.
Is it the body which is doing that?
Does the impulse come from the body?
Does the impulse come from the right leg?
Does the impulse come from the left leg?
Does the impulse come from any other part of the body?
Sending love,
Luchana
you did a very good looking.
Nice :-)Is it a thought which is doing that?No, thought only chats, it does not make this body do anything. I will say, that it seems, what ever I am doing, thought comes up and labels the action. Thought does not do it. When i really look.
If thought is not giving the impulse to get up from the bed, thanA body, right leg, left leg? not sure what you mean by that question. Could you be more specific with that question?
Is it the body which is doing that?
Does the impulse come from the body?
Does the impulse come from the right leg?
Does the impulse come from the left leg?
Does the impulse come from any other part of the body?
Sending love,
Luchana
If you wonder what it’s like living nonduality in everyday life?
https://awakeningawakened.com/2022/10/2 ... onduality/
https://awakeningawakened.com/2022/10/2 ... onduality/
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If thought is not giving the impulse to get up from the bed, than
Is it the body which is doing that?
Does the impulse come from the body?
Does the impulse come from the right leg?
Does the impulse come from the left leg?
Does the impulse come from any other part of the body?
This is one of those questions, which feels tricky. Good question! I would say, NO... there is an impulse to get up and do whatever the body needs to do. When really looking. Interesting! the impulse does not come from any body parts, it just comes. From where? Not sure where impulse comes from. i woulds say, when looking, NO WHERE, Guessing intuition? But where does intuition come from? if there is no one here, intuition arises...
Is it the body which is doing that?
Does the impulse come from the body?
Does the impulse come from the right leg?
Does the impulse come from the left leg?
Does the impulse come from any other part of the body?
This is one of those questions, which feels tricky. Good question! I would say, NO... there is an impulse to get up and do whatever the body needs to do. When really looking. Interesting! the impulse does not come from any body parts, it just comes. From where? Not sure where impulse comes from. i woulds say, when looking, NO WHERE, Guessing intuition? But where does intuition come from? if there is no one here, intuition arises...
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I just want to say that it feels like it not enough to see there is no "I " here, doubt arises, confusion. Sometimes thought says, ok, now what? ok, ok, you see there is no one here but you are still repeating behaviors, and then shame follows, Look, nothing has changed. There still desire to do the things you thought would drop..it feels like it is not enough in looking, there has to be more. More of, i am not sure..Deepening is what is coming up right now
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Hi Indira,
And what is intuition when it is looked at here now?
This is the main belief so to speak on the top of which many others are builded. The seeing of those believes is ongoing process with no end probably :-)
The forum is focused in this first seeing and if this is experientially clear for you - we can move further to look at
repetitive behaviours, patterns and old protective mechanisms.
Is it clear that there is NO chooser, controller or decider ?
That there is just experience happening without a central experiencer?
Sending love,
Luchana
Nice, yes. At direct experience it can't be known from where it is coming, the closest is NO WHERE.. From where? Not sure where impulse comes from. i woulds say, when looking, NO WHERE, Guessing intuition? But where does intuition come from? if there is no one here, intuition arises...
And what is intuition when it is looked at here now?
Well, seeing the trough the false idea of a separate self is a first, yet very crucial step.I just want to say that it feels like it not enough to see there is no "I " here, doubt arises, confusion. Sometimes thought says, ok, now what? ok, ok, you see there is no one here but you are still repeating behaviors, and then shame follows, Look, nothing has changed. There still desire to do the things you thought would drop..it feels like it is not enough in looking, there has to be more. More of, i am not sure..Deepening is what is coming up right now
This is the main belief so to speak on the top of which many others are builded. The seeing of those believes is ongoing process with no end probably :-)
The forum is focused in this first seeing and if this is experientially clear for you - we can move further to look at
repetitive behaviours, patterns and old protective mechanisms.
Is it clear that there is NO chooser, controller or decider ?
That there is just experience happening without a central experiencer?
Sending love,
Luchana
If you wonder what it’s like living nonduality in everyday life?
https://awakeningawakened.com/2022/10/2 ... onduality/
https://awakeningawakened.com/2022/10/2 ... onduality/
Re: ok
Is it clear that there is NO chooser, controller or decider ?
That there is just experience happening without a central experiencer?
Yes, it is very clear, that there is no chooser, controller or decider...I see this and yet in talking to others, "I" statements still come up and sometimes, there is still talk about this body deciding and choosing, when deep down inside, i am not not believing that...Yes, when i look it is chrystal clear that there is controller and decider....
That there is just experience happening without a central experiencer?
Yes, it is very clear, that there is no chooser, controller or decider...I see this and yet in talking to others, "I" statements still come up and sometimes, there is still talk about this body deciding and choosing, when deep down inside, i am not not believing that...Yes, when i look it is chrystal clear that there is controller and decider....
Re: ok
That there is just experience happening without a central experiencer?
yes, when really looking this is seen...Yesterday, as a result of what was happening in this story of indira, Experience of sadness, aloneness and unahappiness arised. feelings of uncomfortableness is happening now. Not sure how to deal with this, but to just watch and see how it plays out...i would like to go deeper, not sure what that means and yet i am very open to it
Thank you, Luchana
yes, when really looking this is seen...Yesterday, as a result of what was happening in this story of indira, Experience of sadness, aloneness and unahappiness arised. feelings of uncomfortableness is happening now. Not sure how to deal with this, but to just watch and see how it plays out...i would like to go deeper, not sure what that means and yet i am very open to it
Thank you, Luchana
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