Feet first (or should it be head first?)

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Re: Feet first (or should it be head first?)

Postby jrm72 » Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:22 am

"Argue for your limitations & sure enough, they're yours."

Yes I agree.

“Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right.”
― Henry Ford

I don't want to argue for my limitations or for the existence of myself.
In fact I want to argue against them, but this "self", "my self" is currently persistent and great at creating doubt in my mind.



Open your mind. Show some curiosity about what we're talking about here.

I find this a downright annoying statement. What is an open mind?
I'm here, I'm following the instructions, I agree with what your saying.
So how can I open my mind any more?

As to curiosity -

Why is this so difficult?
How comes other people seem to get it and I don't?
What's their secret?
Why is this illusion so persistent and ubiquitous?
Surely the self must have some use?

It's frustrating never having knowingly met anyone who's had this shift.



Have you read any of "Gateless Gatecrashers?"

Am halfway through it.

There are exchanges of messages between a guide and a seeker.
Nothing seems profound, then at some point the seeker says, "got it".
There are even times when the seeker doesn't think they've got it but the guide does.

So I'm experiencing frustration, frustration, frustration.

For example - I'm repeatedly doing the butt/chair (sometimes the back/mattress) exercise.
Yes, I find this field of sensation and not a definite separation.
But when I'm standing, my butt is not in contact with the chair and when I sit down, there is contact.
So there is a point at which my butt contacts the chair, even though I am unable to delineate it.



Read to notice where each client had a shift & SAW. Write daily here what you are noticing.

I'll be here daily at least until the shift happens for me. I do wish that was today, but sadly it isn't.

Positives - I'm noticing that occasionally throughout the day, the thought appears 'focus on direct experiences.
Negatives - Feeling frustration at seeming zero progress.


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Re: Feet first (or should it be head first?)

Postby Anastacia42 » Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:22 am

Good morning,
this "self", "my self" is currently persistent and great at creating doubt in my mind.
There's no "self" that could "persist" or "create doubt." That is nothing but your storytelling mind making things up our of nothing.

LOOK. Where do you see any "self" in Direct Experience?

I can guarantee that you don't.

There are a couple of teleconferences you can attend. That will introduce you real time to other guides who have seen.

THERE'S ONE TODAY with Ilona.
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Re: Feet first (or should it be head first?)

Postby Anastacia42 » Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:24 am

You're doing fine.

Frustration is good at this point. Accept it.

But it is when you relax that you can see.

Loving,
~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

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Re: Feet first (or should it be head first?)

Postby jrm72 » Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:43 pm

this "self", "my self" is currently persistent and great at creating doubt in my mind.
There's no "self" that could "persist" or "create doubt." That is nothing but your storytelling mind making things up our of nothing.

LOOK. Where do you see any "self" in Direct Experience?

I can guarantee that you don't.


I don't see any self in direct experience, but let me rephrase my above sentence -

"My storytelling mind is persistent and great at creating these thoughts of self and thoughts of doubt about the possibility of a shift of perspective ever happening."


There are a couple of teleconferences you can attend. That will introduce you real time to other guides who have seen.

Thank you for this, I will attend as soon as I can.



Frustration is good at this point. Accept it.

Trying



But it is when you relax that you can see.

Sounds like bliss, looking forward to this experience.



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Re: Feet first (or should it be head first?)

Postby Anastacia42 » Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:56 pm

"My storytelling mind is persistent and great at creating these thoughts of self and thoughts of doubt about the possibility of a shift of perspective ever happening."
What will it take for you to stop believing these lies?


Try listening to these. Start with the introduction.


https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ksba3zhi9uuz ... hsk1a?dl=0


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Re: Feet first (or should it be head first?)

Postby jrm72 » Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:37 am

What will it take for you to stop believing these lies?

Don't know.
It's obviously not enough just to want the dissolution of self.
It's obviously not enough to have an intellectual understanding that the self does not exist.
It's obviously not enough to use direct experience to not find a self.
What makes the lies lies and the non existence of self a lived truth?
When the realisation comes, you'll be the first to know.

The I part wanted to fill those sentences above with expletives.





Try listening to these. Start with the introduction.
Currently listening, will report back anything that happens.





There has been a brief flash of understanding that whatever direct experience is, it's not separate seeing, hearing etc, it's all one amorphous blob of sensation that whatever the underlying automatic mechanisms are of this mind/body tune into.

Sadly the tuning in process (whatever that unseen/unknowable? thing is) sometimes gets stuck on the contents of a particular thought and suffering ensues.

Currently whatever is noticing direct experience can't separate the noticing of a thought with the contents of that thought, which feels a bit of a bummer.


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Re: Feet first (or should it be head first?)

Postby Anastacia42 » Mon Aug 07, 2023 10:33 am

Don't be hard on your"self."

You're doing fine. You're practicing the pointers.

You must be relaxed to SEE. Can you kind of let go of pushing & forcing?

"Enlightenment is an accident. Meditation makes you accident prone."

Sunryu Suzuki

Seeing might happen when you least expect it.

Loving,
~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

~ Adyashanti

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Re: Feet first (or should it be head first?)

Postby jrm72 » Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:10 am

Don't be hard on your"self."
You're doing fine. You're practicing the pointers.
You must be relaxed to SEE. Can you kind of let go of pushing & forcing?
"Enlightenment is an accident. Meditation makes you accident prone."
Seeing might happen when you least expect it..

Thank you for your patience and pointers.

"I" will take a metaphorical deep breath and try to release the pressure "I" am putting on "myself".

Lovely quote about enlightenment and meditation. So gentle practicing and looking will ensue.

Looking forward to tripping over free awareness.

Have signed up to the video groups and started listening to the meditations you provided the download link for.
So plenty to be getting on with.

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Re: Feet first (or should it be head first?)

Postby Anastacia42 » Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:14 am

Good! That is all very good.

Let me know how you do with the DropBox pointers. I was there. That's me laughing on one pointer.

Loving,
~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

~ Adyashanti

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Re: Feet first (or should it be head first?)

Postby jrm72 » Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:10 am

The meditation - zooming in on death, was an interesting experience to say the least.
Swings of emotion ending in annihilation.

Other than that, nothing else much happening, partly because we have a house full of visitors.

Will get back to you with a more in depth response asap.

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Re: Feet first (or should it be head first?)

Postby Anastacia42 » Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:14 am

Okay.
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Re: Feet first (or should it be head first?)

Postby jrm72 » Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:05 pm

For the first time today, without setting out to look, whatever it is that notices, noticed a thought arising out of that unknown place that produces thoughts. Felt like quite a moment.

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Re: Feet first (or should it be head first?)

Postby Anastacia42 » Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:51 pm

Felt like quite a moment.
Good! Excellent!

Relax into that.

Can you find any "separate self" doing anything? Or is it (life?) just happening?

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Re: Feet first (or should it be head first?)

Postby Anastacia42 » Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:27 am

In addition to answering those previous questions, you might take a look at this new video on expectations. It's an hour.

https://youtu.be/93fpiOnKM4M

Loving,
~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

~ Adyashanti

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Re: Feet first (or should it be head first?)

Postby jrm72 » Thu Aug 10, 2023 8:10 am

Reading gateless gatecrashers - each story is the same and also unique.
Frustration seems to play a big part in every story.
Each story has a part where the 'I" is realised as non-existent and nothing is running the show, so to speak.





"My" direct experience doesn't seem to be coming from anyone else, however "my" direct experience is being generated or perceived, it seems to be centred on this body/mind that "my" "I" also seems to inhabit. The direct experience this body mind experiences and the reactions it produces do "mostly" appear automatically.
"Mostly", because there is an illusion that is incredibly powerful - if "I" sit and think about something then it feels like "I" am solving the problem and working out the solution. But how? For from direct experience everything is automatic, so how can "I" be doing anything.
There is a question "I" wants the answer to, because "I" believes it exists there - What is experiencing direct experience?
If not "I" then wtf.
Desperately clinging on here, is not "I" an outer representation of the inner, hidden automatic system that is running this mind/body?




Felt like quite a moment.
Good! Excellent!
Relax into that.

This feels like one of those contradictory moments where everything happened by itself and there is the urge to get back to it or find it again. And there is an understanding of your instruction to relax, yet relaxing feels like doing nothing and letting that precious moments slip away.




Can you find any "separate self" doing anything? Or is it (life?) just happening?

There are two answers to this -

The direct experience answer (which doesn't feel real) - there is no separate self, the automatic system (whatever that unknown thing is) has total control.

And the "I" answer from me James - of course there's a separate self, in control of its life, typing this response to you. (which feels more real than the direct experience answer)


So "I'm" stuck between knowing one answer, yet believing another. And as the history of the world shows, believing has had more power than knowing.

Therefore currently this sucks.


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