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Re: Homeward bound

Postby hometruth » Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:49 pm

How is the movement controlled?
Because I decide to move it
Does a thought control it?
Yes
Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?
Apart from me making the decision, can’t see any other controller
How is the decision made to turn the hand over? Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.
The thought said, ‘turn over’ thought decided to very the pace of turning over and then stop the turning over too.
Who or what chose which hand - the left or right hand for the exercise?
I don’t know… there was no thought about that.
Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?
No

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Re: Homeward bound

Postby hometruth » Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:49 pm

How is the movement controlled?
Because I decide to move it
Does a thought control it?
Yes
Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?
Apart from me making the decision, can’t see any other controller
How is the decision made to turn the hand over? Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.
The thought said, ‘turn over’ thought decided to very the pace of turning over and then stop the turning over too.
Who or what chose which hand - the left or right hand for the exercise?
I don’t know… there was no thought about that.
Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?
No

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Re: Homeward bound

Postby Anastacia42 » Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:55 pm


Is there ever a moment when you *think* you decide & nothing happens?


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Re: Homeward bound

Postby hometruth » Sun Jul 23, 2023 2:05 am

Is there ever a moment when you *think* you decide & nothing happens?
All that's coming at the mo in answer to this question is thoughts that I don't act upon ... Like I looked at a pen, thought to pick it up, then didn't, but see that doesn't mean that nothing happens it just means picking up the pen didn't hapen.

I bought the Liberation Unleashed book (so thought that meant I'd decide to read it) but can't find it so that's not happening.

I 'think' i'm not getting this question properly re the 'nothing happens' bit. Maybe it's a bit like the apple, i.e. there's no apple to happen?

Need a bit more help here please x

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Re: Homeward bound

Postby Anastacia42 » Sun Jul 23, 2023 1:42 pm

Right.

We make no decisions & have no control.

Please look carefully & practice looking at the palm flipping.

"I" is nothing but a thought story.

"decide" & "control" are thought stories we make up sfter something occurs by itself, just arising.

Keep looking.

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Re: Homeward bound

Postby hometruth » Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:26 am

Palm Flipping Exercise ... Take 2!

How is the movement controlled?
In some ways response to sensation, so fingers curled up spontaneously because palm was flat and there was tension. Fingers flexed and bent similarly. Turning happened... sometimes playfully, sometimes dancerly.
Does a thought control it?
No... Thoughts arose, action of turning hand didn't necessarily happen, and did other times ... thought didn't decide.
Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?
No... not a controller... thoughts arise, response to sensation happens... doesn't feel mind bending like with the spoon boy though... which reminded me of cloud zapping as a kid...
How is the decision made to turn the hand over? Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.
There's not a decision.... even though thought arrived to 'turn it now' ... that didn't happen sometimes, and did at others. At one point where it didn't happen i experienced feeling of lightness ... the thought meant nothing and more presence landed in that moment. I did play with almost ordering hand to flip... was ridiculous rigid controlling, euch, no natural flow... felt tension.

Who or what chose which hand - the left or right hand for the exercise?
Ease, comfort, but no controller choosing.

Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?
No ... not sure I can find a separate 'I' either...

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Re: Homeward bound

Postby Anastacia42 » Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:20 am

Doesn't that feel truer?

Here is how to distinguish truth from lies.


We often lie every day & don't realize it.

For example, the grocery clerk asks, "How are you?" You reply, "I'm fine." While, yes. there is a sense in which we are always fine, even in the middle of suffering, at that moment, you were grieving the death of your dog, you had a slight sore throat & you had a headache, but you didn't feel like sharing all of that with the grocery clerk, so you lied, "I'm fine."

Also, it matters none at all how "distant" the remembered lie is. Besides the fact that time itself is fictional, a kind if lie, as we recall the lie it becomes present in this moment, as if it were happening now. This brings the body Sensation that accompanies lying.

Lies can be intentional or unintentional, conscious or unconscious, even so automatic that we ourselves are fooled.

The story of a separate "self" is a lie.

This is the lie you came here to see through. Therefore, it is helpful to notice the body Sensation of lying as one of the tools for finding the truth of no self.

You want to be in touch with body Sensations & able to clearly express them in words. This will help.

Lies are usually felt in the heart or solar plexus as a contraction that we may label as tight, heavy or tense.

In contrast, truth is usually expansive. We may call it loose, light or relaxed.

First, can you remember a time when you lied to someone you loved?

Here we count anything, lies we think of as "big" or "small" that "matter" or don't "matter."

How are you? I'm fine. No, your knee hurts, but you don't feel like discussing it with the grocery clerk.

It's a lie. A seemingly "bigger" one will work better for this exercise.

Find the lie. I don't need the whole story, just a few key words to refer to it.

Then scan your body for any Sensation (DE or Direct Experience), particularly in the gut or maybe the heart. Check very closely.

What is found?

If you think the memory you used wasn't clear enough, find another one or lie to yourself right now, make something up.

1 + 1 = 14 is a lie.

I love eating worms is (probably) a lie.

Or call up a video of a lying politician & notice what Sensations arise as you listen.

I will give you a clue: it is not that peaceful Sensation you felt before when you omitted "I." (refers to an exercise I gave before this one)

Please report back with what body Sensations (not interpretations) you feel. Bodies can feel hot or cold, heavy or light, contraction or expansion, etc.

"Peaceful" is an interpretation of a body Sensation, not the Sensation itself, for example.

Do you see that?

Loving,
~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

~ Adyashanti

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Re: Homeward bound

Postby hometruth » Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:11 am

Hi Stacy,
Doesn't that feel truer?
Yes, something dropped after doing that exercise for the second time. I felt different today. 'I' felt much more neutral and connected to life all around, just experiencing .... that is until the situation below re 'the lie' came to the fore...
What is found?

Doing this exercise a second time has been very different as 'the lie' is much more current. Back story ...A lot of changes have been happening in life recently. My main work had stopped feeling aligned so I let my colleagues know I was leaving a few weeks ago, but there was one related but different area that I'd still not left, and that area involves creating a new workshop.

It's a different area of work so I had felt I might be able to carry on, but discomfort kept coming around (sensation of tension in shoulders and jaw, chest and belly)... although I'd voiced this with colleagues their response persuaded that it would be ok. And then the discomfort feeling would return. I really faced that today... Something just wasn't right. Dropping in I felt this tightness in my belly, chest and neck, like a nausea feeling rising up - it was intense. Whatever the apparent juggle this tight and sick sensation about continuing with this project was present when I considered carrying on. I finally phoned colleague earlier this eve and told her that I couldn't continue. I'd mentioned in my original LU original sign-up how stepping out of the drama triangle feels key to stepping out of self concept ... Mind was tell me 'I'm letting people down'; I see the suffering that the belief in this thought creates. Sensation was deep in belly.

As I sit with the idea that 'letting people down' is a lie, I feel sensation of relaxation, softening.

(the weirdest thing just happened as I finished writing that ... a moth flew in and was fluttering around a light. My cat leapt up, caught the moth and has just eaten it. I've had a strong relationship with moths (in the illusion!) that they represent facing the shadow. I know it's interpretation in the story, but from that perspective the shadow just got eaten!)

This is all quite a revelation for me to track noticing sensations of lie and even though tough to face, I can trust the sensations that truth has been outed through the relaxation sensation.

It's late here. Off to bed,

See you tomorrow,

Annabel ❤️

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Re: Homeward bound

Postby Anastacia42 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:33 am

Hi,

Yes. the moth thing is a story. But good work catching lies. Some call it "body yes" and "body no."

The clearer you get, the less words you may need. You got it & you're doing great. Here's your next pointer.

Let's look at how necessary (or not) all of those words are.

Stream Exercise

Imagine for a moment a scene, one of a little mountain stream which is tumbling down a hillside gully, not far from its source. It has been raining and so the level is quite high.

Consider in your mind's eye, if you can, how it flows to the right over a little rock (where, had the level been lower, it would probably have gone around the rock), then the flow goes to the left over a tree bow, and then slows a little in a broader place, before splashing over a small cascade into a pool, and so on down the mountain side.

Does it choose any of its directions? Is it even really a separate entity different from the water deposited in it, the rocks, the depressions in the ground etc? Is it even the same entity moment by moment, or more the product of weather conditions and water, like an ever-changing pattern?

1. Can you find anywhere where "Annabel" autonomously intervenes into life, choosing something that is not the product of all the elements; that is not a part of the overall flow?

2. Now please consider a regular decision made eg; what to wear in the morning, or what to eat for lunch, and describe to me what happens. There are environmental factors, there are colour preferences (but where did those come from - any autonomous intervention there perhaps?), practical issues (such as what is available), available time for preparation, purpose (eg; need to fill up for the day, or to look hip and cool for that person!) etc.

Where in there is an autonomous entity intervening in the flow of life? Can you find someone somewhere?

3. Can anything be found for which 'Annabel' is responsible – if so responsible to what and for what?


As always, relax & have fun!

Loving,
~ Stacy

"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

~ Adyashanti

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Re: Homeward bound

Postby hometruth » Wed Jul 26, 2023 12:01 am

"body yes" and "body no."
Loving this! Quietens busy mind a lot.
Does it choose any of its directions? Is it even really a separate entity different from the water deposited in it, the rocks, the depressions in the ground etc? Is it even the same entity moment by moment, or more the product of weather conditions and water, like an ever-changing pattern?
Doesn't choose it's direction... not a separate entity...the pattern might change but is same entity. Idea of glass of water scooped from stream and brought to kitchen would be same entity, just more different pattern.
1. Can you find anywhere where "Annabel" autonomously intervenes into life, choosing something that is not the product of all the elements; that is not a part of the overall flow?
I can't find anywhere where not part of the overall flow. I can see where 'forced' choices might create stress ... bit like when i flipped the hand fast, and that was just a thought of force ... really all that i'm noticing is sensations when feel lighter or heavier. Feels like there's some sort of choice there... shows me more where there are beliefs to undo, the idea that I could create stress and less flow...
2. Now please consider a regular decision made eg; what to wear in the morning, or what to eat for lunch, and describe to me what happens. There are environmental factors, there are colour preferences (but where did those come from - any autonomous intervention there perhaps?), practical issues (such as what is available), available time for preparation, purpose (eg; need to fill up for the day, or to look hip and cool for that person!) etc.
Sensation of hunger ... thought arose to eat small, light and tasty supper, moved down to kitchen, then cheese on toast idea arrived, then another thought reminded me that new toastie maker was in cupboard. Was it memory of joy of previous toasties that brought the joy feeling, or did it just arise? No, it just arose as toastie machine was in cupboard so no visual reminder clue. Bread, cheese, tomato and fresh oregano shapes and colours were found... actually the oregano arrived from following scratching noise to front door, let cat in and remembered/saw the oregano by the door and picked some. Idea that toastie will be more delicious... and have more value, like a posh toastie with fresh oregano. As walked up stairs with food on plate thought arrived of Cypher in the Matrix movie wanting to get back to the matrix so he could be fooled that slop food is actually gourmet food. Pondered that for micro second. Sensation of joy. It all happened in flow. No autonomous intervention. A pattern of making food and thoughts arose, like all the factors of the stream... none of them matter, higher rock, lower rock, joy, oregano, darker cypher thought ...
Where in there is an autonomous entity intervening in the flow of life? Can you find someone somewhere?
No ...
3. Can anything be found for which 'Annabel' is responsible – if so responsible to what and for what?
Only the memory bit of previous toastie's through life felt personal, but it also just arose spontaneously. i.e. there was no choosing even if 'Annabel' has known toastie's before.

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Re: Homeward bound

Postby Anastacia42 » Wed Jul 26, 2023 1:05 am

So, Annabel, can you say 100% there's is no separate self, other than thought?

If so, how does it feel to see this?

Loving,
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"Thought is a garbage can. If you look into the garbage can, all you will get is garbage."

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Re: Homeward bound

Postby hometruth » Wed Jul 26, 2023 1:32 am

can you say 100% there's is no separate self, other than thought?
I can say it logically … am aware that with each quest you give me, the cumulative journey is scrambling mind and expanding direct experience of interconnectedness. Off to sleep now. Will be with these questions tomorrow… night! 🥱

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Re: Homeward bound

Postby hometruth » Thu Jul 27, 2023 1:42 am

So, Annabel, can you say 100% there's is no separate self, other than thought?

If so, how does it feel to see this?
Went swimming again today... was really experiencing it differently... words like 'swimming', 'breathing' were there. They were happening, as much as everything else was happening, the water, the building, sounds, etc... There was no separate self. It was just life. I don't know what looks through these eyes, there's something, but not seperate.

There are definitely thoughts and am seeing them not as mine though... They just are. I've been undoing beliefs a plenty for some time, but owning them personally, often with guilt and fear ... that's changing. I could get my head around the idea theoretically that as I undid beliefs that wasn't just a personal undoing, like the whole collective received that as well ...

Really seeing that feeling resistance, and questioning beliefs aren't mine. It's not feeling theoretical now, not just an idea. Like sensations are a guide to flow... and when 'body no' sensations are present then can choose again. Like a God rudder steering the flow to love. Steering me to bed now. With accompanying yawn sounds and sensations.

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Re: Homeward bound

Postby Anastacia42 » Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:25 am

Was there an answer in all of that?

Annabel, can you say 100% there's is no separate self, other than thought?

This is a "yes" or "no" question.
It's not feeling theoretical now, not just an idea.

So, that's a "yes?"


Much love,
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Re: Homeward bound

Postby hometruth » Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:56 pm

Annabel, can you say 100% there's is no separate self, other than thought?
Short answer, Yes!


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