Divert No More

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Re: Divert No More

Postby ankitawho » Tue Apr 04, 2023 1:52 pm

Hello hello :)

I loved reading your answers.
I see now that doubt was the result of not allowing the thought of doubt to exist.
How beautifully said.
Doubt is the final gasp of an entity that knows no breath.
❤️

Delphi, in your introduction answers, you expressed:
To experience true freedom in Life. To finally transcend my belief in limitation. To no longer live a life of reactivity and unnecessary suffering but one of inner clarity and acceptance of what is. To be able to love and give love without the intrusion of accumulated fears and insecurities that have lived on within my own imagination and inner pain . To stay in the light I know so well and to trust it.
...To finally break through to a more permanent and stabile understanding.
Do you see this differently now?

Let me know.

Love and adoration always,
Ankita

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Re: Divert No More

Postby Delphi » Tue Apr 04, 2023 3:30 pm

Dear Ankita,

In my imagination I can see you there typing responses to a man clear across the globe in a time zone that descends into darkness as yours ascends into the light. And ascends in to the light as mine is blanketed by the evenings peace. But you and I are not seperated by neither time nor space but share something eternal that transcends our apparent worldly shackles. It brings my heart joy to know that you are blessed as I am with that peace that surpasses all understanding. That is the reward you have given me.
Do you see this differently now?
I not only see this differently now but feel it. Not requiring "permanence and stability" is rather a given when there is no one there who needs them for substantiation.I extend back the love and gratitude you have given me and share with you that which knows itself to be always and eternally.

Diverting No More and Accepting as is----Much Love to you Ankita. I will be forever grateful. Thank you my friend.

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Re: Divert No More

Postby ankitawho » Tue Apr 04, 2023 6:46 pm

Delphi,

:) ❤️ This makes me smile and my heart so very full.

Since we arrived here rather quickly, there are several exercises that remain skipped and not needed. If you like, please skim through this document and try the ones that seem interesting at your leisure:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OMfg-T ... share_link

Now, for our last step: Do you feel ready for the final questions? :) Your answers to them will be shared with other guides.

Waiting to hear from you,
Ankita

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Re: Divert No More

Postby Delphi » Tue Apr 04, 2023 8:42 pm

Dear Ankita,

So wonderful to hear that I somehow contributed to your already full heart. I have no doubt that whatever spilled over you will be sharing in short order.

Thank you for the document that I will spend some time reading and will be a wonderful source for times if needed.
Now, for our last step: Do you feel ready for the final questions? :) Your answers to them will be shared with other guides.
Yes I am ready and willing. Look forward to them as they will no doubt prove to be as valuable as everything that has preceded this very moment.

Always and forever with Love and Affection--Delphi

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Re: Divert No More

Postby ankitawho » Wed Apr 05, 2023 4:02 am

Dear Delphi,

❤️

Thank you for the warm embraces that your words are.

Here are the final questions :)

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?


Loving,
Ankita

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Re: Divert No More

Postby Delphi » Wed Apr 05, 2023 4:38 pm

Dear Ankita,

What a wonderful morning .
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
There was always an idea of an "I" a continuity of past memories and beliefs and acquired knowledge that gave me some sense of solidity. That has thoroughly been understood to be just a collection of stories and images.There is no seperate "self", "me" or "I" . that I can find now or ever has existed. No shape, no form , no way.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
The illusion of the seperate self started early on as a need to protect something that was not "mine" to begin with. A misinterpretation that there was an entity with senses and pain which was given a name and taught a language and given beliefs and acquired reactions that fed an illusion of "self" and other. It works in that what was given to protect and continue life was extended to the mind and stored in the body as an unquestioned reality. A "self" that tried to claim control over that which it never could and never would be able to.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

It feels like an extended out breath, a release of the need to claim responsibility for all that I thought I was. An opening of a clenched fist. A relinquishing of that which needed to control, weigh and comment constantly. When I started this dialogue there was a greater instability , a greater inner dialogue of what should and shouldn't be a greater resistance to what is. And now a greater sense of peace and allowance and joy. A greater connection and intimacy. And gratitude.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

As I explained in the past the question of "doubt" pushed me over. Doubting what my experience of reality was based on. Then examining and asking what were my experiences and whether they were interpretations or direct. Then the question of the "doubt" whether this was a permanent or temporary realization. And then seeing "doubt" as a thought, a need to continually protect that which didn't exist in the first place. There is healthy "doubt" and then there is the "doubt"the self has always needed to exert itself and claim dominance. A dominance that comes at a very substantial price. The price of truly being free from a life lived by concepts and belief and reactivity and unnecessary suffering.
5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.
Decisions are a gathering of intent and energies in a particular direction. A decision to commit to Yoga Nidra every morning before starting my day. A decision to take the morning walk today or not. A decison to write answers to these questions.
These decisions are not made by an "I" but flow on their own influenced by a myriad of relationships both internal and external . The same can be said of "free will", "choice" and "control". There is no specific independent entity that can or should take ownership of anything. No "I" that can have a "free will" or a "choice" or "control". Something that is conceptual in nature can only imagine itself to be the instigator of that which exists outside of conceptual understanding.
What makes things happen? How does it work?
Things happen as they will happen. No idea why things happen. I can have an idea an image a thought of why things happen but they would only be representions .
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

I am not responsible for anything in life. Even the desire for a deeper understanding which has led me here I can not take credit for. It is and was a longing, a sense of something not right. I could say that I am responsible for the health of my body and mind. But that too I can not take credit for. My body communicates its needs and pretty much doesn't need an I to exist. My mind makes itself known and whether I am responsive or not is the pervue of something unseen and not understood by the rational mind. Life has a way of imparting its own mysterious sense of responsibilty. A sometimes faint and at times quite vociferous pulling one back to their own inner nature. One that has no words or images to describe its existence and no need for a "me" to make itself known. Call it grace if one needs to label it I suppose.
6) Anything to add?

How can someone thank another for what they both share? Let it suffice to just know that whatever led Ankita here was also recognized by a man who at times goes by the name of Delphi.

Forever grateful and thankful for your presence in my life--Delphi

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Re: Divert No More

Postby ankitawho » Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:41 am

Dear Delphi,

Thank you for answering so wonderfully.

A guide wishes to ask:
"...because Delphi refers to "my body" and "my mind": What makes a body or a mind "mine"?"

Loving,
Ankita

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Re: Divert No More

Postby Delphi » Thu Apr 06, 2023 3:18 pm

Dear Ankita,

Nice to hear back from you as always.
A guide wishes to ask:
"...because Delphi refers to "my body" and "my mind": What makes a body or a mind "mine"?"
Some habits are hard to break. The body senses the mind thinks there is no self that can possess them or claim them. A very important understanding and one that I am glad the guide inquired into. Language matters and how strongly we relate to words and their meaning either can strengthen an illusion or see through it. The ramifications of which can be quite profound. Especially when it comes to body and mind. Thank you it gave me meaningful pause.

As always I send you Love and Gratitude---Delphi

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Re: Divert No More

Postby ankitawho » Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:05 pm

Dear Delphi,

Language can indeed be tricky... Just to ensure we leave no stone unturned, lets do a body pointer:

Sit with eyes closed for about 15 minutes.
Paying attention only to the pure sensations, without relying on thoughts or mental images:
Can it be known how tall the body is?
Does the body have a weight or volume?
In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?
Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing?
Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?
Is there an inside or an outside?
If there is an inside - the inside of what exactly?
If there is an outside - the outside of what exactly?
What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?
What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?

Look very carefully, especially with the last question. Take your time, don’t rush. You can look several times during the day while doing other things (like washing hands, showering, having a short break from work, walking, etc) before replying.

Love always,
Ankita

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Re: Divert No More

Postby Delphi » Fri Apr 07, 2023 10:11 pm

Dear Ankita,

I agree. No stones unturned is a good thing.
Sit with eyes closed for about 15 minutes.
Paying attention only to the pure sensations, without relying on thoughts or mental images:
Can it be known how tall the body is?
There is no what to tell how tall the body is.
Does the body have a weight or volume?
No sense of a body having either weight or volume
In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?
In the actual experience the body has neither shape nor form.
Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing?
There is no boundary between the body and the clothing
Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?
No boundary between the body and the chair can be discerned.
Is there an inside or an outside?
No sense of either an inside or outside
If there is an inside - the inside of what exactly?
There is a felt sense of being but no sense of location.
If there is an outside - the outside of what exactly?
As above no sense of either an inside or outside.
What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?
The label body refers to a thought not a direct experience.
What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?
The Actual experience of the body is direct experience of seeing, hearing, tasting, feeling and smelling. Without the intermediary of labeling or conceptualizing.

As always with Love and Gratitude--Delphi

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Re: Divert No More

Postby ankitawho » Sat Apr 08, 2023 6:56 pm

Dear Delphi,

Truly appreciate your continued patience and commitment to looking.

A few more questions from guides watching over before we wrap up ❤️ :

Can the “body” can do anything?
Can the body hear, see, touch, smell or taste?
Does the body exist on its own and have needs?

The body senses the mind thinks there is no self that can possess them or claim them.
So is the body the sensor? And, more importantly, is the mind the thinker?

In reference to seeing:
How would you describe this to someone who has never heard of this?

Sending you lots of love,
Ankita

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Re: Divert No More

Postby Delphi » Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:27 pm

Dear Ankita,

A heartfelt welcome,
Can the “body” can do anything?
The body cannot do anything however there is an experience of the body.
Can the body hear, see, touch, smell or taste?
The body cannot see, touch, smell or taste.
Does the body exist on its own and have needs?
The body exists independently of any need for a self. Its needs are made known as hunger, thirst, shelter from cold or heat. They are automatic.
So is the body the sensor? And, more importantly, is the mind the thinker?
The body is not the sensor. Sensing happens nor can the mind think. Thoughts appear and disappear.
In reference to seeing:
How would you describe this to someone who has never heard of this?
There is no way I could describe what a Direct experience like seeing is. It would be a description only.

Sending you Love back--Delphi
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Re: Divert No More

Postby ankitawho » Sun Apr 09, 2023 5:15 pm

Dear Delphi,

You say:
The label body refers to a thought not a direct experience.
but also:
The body exists independently of any need for a self. Its needs are made known as hunger, thirst, shelter from cold or heat. They are automatic.
Can a thought have needs?
Is there an entity such as the body with attributes of its own?
(Refer the Apple exercise... Is there an apple?)

Loving always,
Ankita

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Re: Divert No More

Postby Delphi » Sun Apr 09, 2023 7:11 pm

Dear Ankita,

I will try to clarify as best I can what my understanding is:
Can a thought have needs?
A thought certainly can not have needs
Is there an entity such as the body with attributes of its own?
The attributes I spoke of were perhaps refering to the selfs need to label. That is just thoughts about something (like the apple) The body has no attributes of its own.

Hope all is marvelous.

With continued Love and Gratitude--Delphi

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Re: Divert No More

Postby ankitawho » Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:21 am

Delphi,

Wonderful. All is clear. :)
With that, we conclude this beautiful journey. It has been a pleasure and honour to walk alongside you. I have really cherished our time, all of the freshness in your descriptions of this "happening", the poetry that is your writing and your commitment to this work. ❤️

LU has a facebook group for aftercare, where you can connect with others who have also just passed through the gate, if you like. You will soon receive a private message with this and other relevant information. Apart from that, your username will now change from green to blue, and our thread will be moved to "Archives" and will be accessible from there.

Please keep SEEING. :)

To deepen your understanding or as a way of giving back, you may look into being a guide yourself. With the compassion evident in your articulation, I'm sure you'd make a wonderful friend to walk with many who come here to see.

I will send you my contact details if you'd like to stay in touch or ever feel like dropping me a note x

Love and gratitude always,
Ankita


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