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[Roger2]

Hi Stacy, enjoying your exercises thanks. Couple of questions. Is the “image/shape” still part of the actual experience of seeing or is it just colour?
Also, did you get my email address (meditation of death) through messaging? If not could you please give me some instructions on doing this properly…. Thank you.

[Anastacia42]

Hi Roger

No, I didn't get a PM with your email address, yet. Click to right the envelope. Compose a New Messagr. Address it to my user name Anastacia42.

Is the “image/shape” still part of the actual experience of seeing or is it just colour?

It doesn't matter too much what you call it as long as you're very simple about it and use just 1 or 2 of those words.

Loving,

[Roger2]

However, is an apple actually known?

An ‘Apple’ is a label/thought that helps describe what the senses actually experience. Without the thought generated label you just have these raw sensory experiences…….and no Apple.

[Anastacia42]

Right. Good.

Have you started the DropBox pointers?

Loving,

[Roger2]

Have you started the DropBox pointers?

Yes, really enjoyed the first meditation, thanks for that. Great timing with the way we have been looking at ‘actual experience’. For the first time during meditation I was not seeing ‘thought’ as something to suppress, but as part of the whole. Also, using God as not only showing up as ‘experience’ but as the one who ‘notices experience’ brings with it a fleeting stillness that’s hard to explain.

[Anastacia42]

Beautiful! That fleeting stillness is the beginning of seeing.

Looking forward to your next post.

Loving,

[Roger2]

Looking forward to your next post

Tracking the thought of “me” back to emptiness ….the stillness is back….feels like home.
These meditations are great pointers Stacy.
Thank you

[Anastacia42]

Beautiful! Yes, I love them. By the way, I was there. He only gave that class once and went into a different business entirely. I was lucky.

Looking forward to your next post.

Let me know when it is clear there is no "me."

Loving,

[Anastacia42]

I also want to be sure to share this with you. I usually give it after that list with and without "I."

Here is how to distinguish truth from lies.


We often lie every day & don't realize it.

For example, the grocery clerk asks, "How are you?" You reply, "I'm fine." While, yes. there is a sense in which we are always fine, even in the middle of suffering, at that moment, you were grieving the death of your dog, you had a slight sore throat & you had a headache, but you didn't feel like sharing all of that with the grocery clerk, so you lied, "I'm fine."

Also, it matters none at all how "distant" the remembered lie is. Besides the fact that time itself is fictional, a kind if lie, as we recall the lie it becomes present in this moment, as if it were happening now. This brings the body Sensation that accompanies lying.

Lies can be intentional or unintentional, conscious or unconscious, even so automatic that we ourselves are fooled.

The story of a separate "self" is a lie.

This is the lie you came here to see through. Therefore, it is helpful to notice the body Sensation of lying as one of the tools for finding the truth of no self.

You want to be in touch with body Sensations & able to clearly express them in words. This will help.

Lies are usually felt in the heart or solar plexus as a contraction that we may label as tight, heavy or tense.

In contrast, truth is usually expansive. We may call it loose, light or relaxed.

First, can you remember a time when you lied to someone you loved?

Here we count anything, lies we think of as "big" or "small" that "matter" or don't "matter."

How are you? I'm fine. No, your knee hurts, but you don't feel like discussing it with the grocery clerk.

It's a lie. A seemingly "bigger" one will work better for this exercise.

Find the lie. I don't need the whole story, just a few key words to refer to it.

Then scan your body for any Sensation (DE or Direct Experience), particularly in the gut or maybe the heart. Check very closely.

What is found?

If you think the memory you used wasn't clear enough, find another one or lie to yourself right now, make something up.

1 + 1 = 14 is a lie.

I love eating worms is (probably) a lie.

Or call up a video of a lying politician & notice what Sensations arise as you listen.

I will give you a clue: it is not that peaceful Sensation you felt before when you omitted "I." (refers to an exercise I gave before this one)

Please report back with what body Sensations (not interpretations) you feel. Bodies can feel hot or cold, heavy or light, contraction or expansion, etc.

"Peaceful" is an interpretation of a body Sensation, not the Sensation itself, for example.

Do you see that?

Loving,

[Roger2]

Let me know when it is clear there is no "me."

When I listen to these meditations; when I feel the presence/stillness for being aware of being aware; when I track my thoughts and my version of “me” back to this same stillness; when I realise my body/sensations can be traced back to thoughts emanating from this presence; when I notice these feelings/sensations I call my body are just energy thought patterns of my story wanting to repeat to take comfort from familiarity and continuity…….I realise that this “me” is just a label of an empty story.
But contraction back into “me” and this default mode is very strong. Many years of conditioning continually forces you back into the comfort zone. Back into the lie

Here is how to distinguish truth from lies.

I will get back to you on this one.

[Anastacia42]

Many years of conditioning continually forces you back into the comfort zone. Back into the lie.

This is just another thought. It has no power over you.

Looking forward to your next reply.

Also, looking forward to your report on "Where is 'I?'" later.

Loving,

[Roger2]

Also, looking forward to your report on "Where is 'I?'" later.

This question seems to open a door somehow within, even if it is only for short moments. From this question a feeling of something dropping away hits me. Its like this false identity is exposed when no “I” is realised. There is a sensation of freedom that comes with knowing that “I” can not be found.
Observing actual experience then starts in a very impersonal way. Everything is just unfolding without a controller…..without labels and content of thoughts separating everything.
Very grateful for your guidance
Thank you, Stacy.

[Anastacia42]

Hi Roger,

You're quite welcome. This is how I work for world peace - one mind at a time.

I realise that this “me” is just a label of an empty story

I couldn't have said It better. Yes.

There is a sensation of freedom that comes with knowing that “I” can not be found.
Observing actual experience then starts in a very impersonal way. Everything is just unfolding without a controller…..without labels and content of thoughts separating everything.

Exactly!

Can you now say with 100% certainty there is no separate "self?"

If so, we have some traditional final questions. Let me know if you'd like to try those.

Loving,

[Roger2]

Can you now say with 100% certainty there is no separate "self?"

Sorry Stacy, working late tonight. Will get back to you tomorrow.

[Anastacia42]

Okay.