Deep Looking - Noel

[Noel_2]

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever? No

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now. What I see right now is thoughts. Believing in these thoughts and thinking there is a separate self that controls and creates these thoughts is where I see the illusion starts.

3) How does it feel to see this? Honestly a little wobbly at this point.
What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days. A sense of relief and expansion. When I again start to believe my thoughts .. for instance start to worry about something, I can immediately feel the contraction. That is my gauge now. How I know I am going into illusion when I feel the contraction. Post LU I am much more aware when I slip back into my thought stream.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look? I don’t really know, but answering these questions here on LU seem to be a part of what pushed this me over to look.



5) Describe decision, no one here to make decision. Things just happen
intention, there is no ‘noel’ here to have intention. Just thoughts happening
free will, , no one here to have free will. The totality is free but that’s it.
choice and control. Who has choice? Who has control? No one
What makes things happen? How does it work? Give examples from experience. Geez I don’t know what makes things happen. For lack of a better word –Things are just happening. Life is just happening all around.


What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience. There is no little “noel” to be responsible for anything. As for the Totality – who knows what the Totality is responsible for. That is unknown at this time.

6) Anything to add? No

[warissem]

Good morning

I invited other guides to read your answers. They would have further questions for you. Be patient.

Warissem

[warissem]

Hi Noel

You have not answered to the first part of the question which is
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience.

When I again start to believe my thoughts .. for instance start to worry about something,

Are they your thoughts ?
Who or what is believing them?
Who or what is worrying ?

I can immediately feel the contraction. That is my gauge now. How I know I am going into illusion when I feel the contraction. Post LU I am much more aware when I slip back into my thought stream.

What is this “I” used above ?

Best for you

Warissem

[Noel_2]

You have not answered to the first part of the question which is
Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience.
What is seen is the flow of thoughts. The identification with these thoughts as “mine” is the arising of the separate self.

When I again start to believe my thoughts .. for instance start to worry about something,
Are they your thoughts ? No
Who or what is believing them? Ah I see now it’s other thoughts about thoughts. Ie thoughts of belief. So just a thought loop. No one here to believe.
Who or what is worrying ? ah ok I see it’s worrying is arising on it’s own as a thought and contraction in the body. No one here to worry.

I can immediately feel the contraction. That is my gauge now. How I know I am going into illusion when I feel the contraction. Post LU I am much more aware when I slip back into my thought stream.
What is this “I” used above ?
There is no “noel” no “I”. However there is an awareness of what is arising now. There is an awareness of any contractions that arises. There is an awareness of the thoughts

[warissem]

Hi Noel

Good, I am waiting for the comments of other guides.

Warissem

[warissem]

Hi Noel

You said

"The identification with these thoughts as “mine” is the arising of the separate self."

• What is identifying with thoughts?

• What is the meaning of "mine" in this sentence?

• What is meant by "arising of the separate self"? Does a separate self arise?

Elaborate on your answers.

Best for you

Warissem

[Noel_2]

• What is identifying with thoughts? ? Oh it is seen now. It’s just a thought that identifies with thought. No one here to identify.

• What is the meaning of "mine" in this sentence? This is also just a thought.

• What is meant by "arising of the separate self"? Does a separate self arise? No as there never was nor has ever been a separate self. It is all just thoughts about a separate self.

[Noel_2]

PS something else was also seen recently.

Just like there is no ownership of smell, taste, hearing seeing as smelling, tasting, feeling, hearing, seeing just happens.

it is now seen that thoughts are just happening. The thoughts part was a bit trickery to be seen through than the other senses.

[warissem]

Hi Noel

Great, insights are happening. Waiting for eventual questions from other guides.

Warissem

[warissem]

Hi Noel

Great, insights are happening. Waiting for eventual questions from other guides.

Warissem

[warissem]

Hi Noel

Is it seen for sure that there is no separate self, no you, no Noel in any shape or form ?

How would you describe what is seen to a friend ?

Best for you

Warissem

[warissem]

Hi Noel

I hope you are well. These are other questions from a guide :

How it is going in your daylylife when you are not replying the questions in the forum, not looking, but rather living your life? What is the experience of being Noel?"

Warissem

[Noel_2]

Hi there
Winter weather event happening where I live so maybe a day or 2 before I reply.

[warissem]

Hi Noel

Take care.

There were 2 posts for you. Take your time.

Best for you

Warissem

[Noel_2]

Is it seen for sure that there is no separate self, no you, no Noel in any shape or form ?
When looking and inquiring - No separate self can be found


How would you describe what is seen to a friend ?

First I was clarify with them if they are the body, the mind, thoughts, emotions, memory. If they can understand they are non of these things, then I would ask them to look for their separate self to see if they can find it.



How it is going in your daily life when you are not replying the questions in the forum, not looking, but rather living your life? What is the experience of being Noel?"

To be clear- there is still a TON of conditioned mind working here. A going back and forth from seeing the no-separate self to again feeling like there is a separate self. Awareness here is watching the thought stream more and more and recognizing those as ‘just thoughts’. There seems to be a deconstruction of thought and beliefs happening slowly. For instance seeing all meaning as thoughts.