Re: Help me understand what it is that I seek
Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 2:45 pm
Sure :)
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No. There is no 'self', 'me' or 'I' at all, and there never was.1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
The illusion is simply attention contracting around the content of thought. When we experience something, there is the actual experience (seeing, hearing etc) and then there are thoughts about the experience. These thoughts build a narrative of what is happening and are often times self referential. Since thoughts are "enticing" (attention seems to rest on the content of thoughts often for whatever reason) we inevitably get lost in the stories they tell, including the story about the separate self, giving rise to the "illusion of self".2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
- It feels effortless: There is nothing for "me" to do.3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
I feel like I have been pushed from the very first post when a clear determination was made not to use thought in the inquiry at all, and to only rely on actual experience. Previously, I was convinced, given that thoughts seem to be helpful in everyday life, they must also be some what helpful in this inquiry. However, as I was going to discover, this reliance on thought was what was keeping me lost in the story of self in the first place.4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
A decision is a thought about a strong preference for a future action. They have no impact on outcomes. Sometimes they align, sometimes they don't.5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.
Intentions are thoughts about plans for future action. They have no impact on outcomes either.Describe intention & give examples from experience.
Freewill is a story just like a separate self is a story. There are no examples.Describe free will & give examples from experience.
Choice is a thought about a preference for one outcome over another.Describe choice & give examples from experience.
Control is another story invented by thought. There are no examples.Describe control & give examples from experience.
I have no idea. Things are just happening.What makes things happen? How does it work?
In the relative sense, I am responsible for everything I have always been responsible for (work, chores, home, relationships). In the absolute sense, nothing. There is no "me" who is making anything happen that needs to be held responsible for anything.What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
This whole thing was a story too. But I am glad I was part of it. It was a good story. :)6) Anything to add?
I will keep an eye out for the PM. I have also received an invitation from Luchana for the weekly zoom meeting.Stay tuned and watch for a pm top right, as well as this thread.
I have never been this proud of "myself" and I can't stop laughing at how ridiculous that is.your answers to the final questions are some of the clearest and most satisfying I've ever seen.