What is truth ?

[MaggieNew]

Dear Jon,

So, seeing, hearing, taste, touch , smell,;. All these are just happening spontaneously. It is possible to check that this is true.

Earlier you said these this:
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Is there an expectation that appearance or story of "Maggie" must cease?
yes
But what if thoughts are like sensations, spontaneously appearing? Does hearing cease? Does seeing cease?

No....
ya ... the "Maggie" must cease " is also just like sensation come and go..

How would the story or narrative about Maggie be prevented ?

No way... just let it come and go by spontaneously, like the breathing

What would need the story to cease?

ha... its just a thought , it comes and go...

And
J :Is it possible to prevent the thought "I" from appearing?
m : ya.. if we able to break thru to see all the "fake"
J : Who, or what would do the 'breaking through" ?

Is just the Maggie's "thought" , trying to breaking through

What prevents noticing all the "fake"?

The Maggie, the story making since the "0" ...start adding.

Is possible to notice a thought appearing and then another, and another?

yes , yes ,, notices it , happens all the time

Sit quietly for a while and notice this. Then find out if it is possible to notice a gap between the end of one thought and the start of the next one.?

yes, it happens all the time

Is there a gap or space between thoughts?

yes yes


Best wishes

Mag

[JonathanR]

Hi Maggie,

That's great. Take whatever time you need.

Jon

[JonathanR]

Hello Maggie

Thanks for your answers. Ok...here goes...

. ya ... the "Maggie" must cease " is also just like sensation come and go..

Yes sensations come and go. Thoughts come and go.
Does a real "Maggie" come and go?

I mean (it is quite funny to ask this), is "Maggie" like a car that actually comes and goes?

Is "Maggie" an object that "exists" , like a melon, for example? These things can be touched, felt, seen, heard, ... but "Maggie"?

How could Maggie "cease" if it is not a "thing"? How should "Maggie cease"?

. How would the story or narrative about Maggie be prevented ?
No way... just let it come and go by spontaneously, like the breathing

Beautiful!

. Is just the Maggie's "thought" , trying to breaking through

"Maggie's" thought. Or Thought ABOUT a Maggie?

. What prevents noticing all the "fake"?
The Maggie, the story making since the "0" ...start adding.

Yes I guess that many thoughts are like a lot of noise that seems to make a story that is somehow believed to be "true"?

. Is possible to notice a thought appearing and then another, and another?
yes , yes ,, notices it , happens all the time

Very good. And the fake can get noticed naturally.

(Often there can be an idea that this must take "effort" and then, logically there has to be "a person" "someone", a "Maggie " that "makes effort". But what if noticing happens naturally, without self-effort?)

. Is there a gap or space between thoughts?
yes yes

Beautiful.

Best wishes

Jon

[MaggieNew]

Dear Jon,

How could Maggie "cease" if it is not a "thing"? How should "Maggie cease"?

ya...the thought create all this story


"

Maggie's" thought. Or Thought ABOUT a Maggie?[

Thought ABOUT a Maggie ..it just happen

Yes I guess that many thoughts are like a lot of noise that seems to make a story that is somehow believed to be "true"?

ya...

(Often there can be an idea that this must take "effort" and then, logically there has to be "a person" "someone", a "Maggie " that "makes effort".
But what if noticing happens naturally, without self-effort?)

"that " emerges

Mag
lov

[JonathanR]

Hi Mag


Thanks for your answers. ☺️

Ok. I would like to ask you a few other questions now...

How do things happen?

Do you make anything happen?

Does Maggie make anything happen?

Love

Jon

[MaggieNew]

Dear Jon,,

How do things happen?

happen spontaneously

Do you make anything happen?

no

Does Maggie make anything happen?

no..


lov
Mag

[JonathanR]

Hi Mag,

Thank you.

Can you say with a great big "yes" that there is no self, anywhere in experience and that the illusion of 'self' is seen ?

Love

Jon

[JonathanR]

Also, if there are doubts now would be a good time to mention them.

Thanks

Jon

[MaggieNew]

Dear Jon ,

Can you say with a great big "yes" that there is no self (Maggie) , anywhere in experience and that the illusion of 'self' is seen ?

YES YES YES

Love

Mag

[MaggieNew]

Dear Jon,

Also, if there are doubts now would be a good time to mention them.

no doubt


lov
Mag

[JonathanR]

Hi Maggie

Ok! Very nice. So now I would like to ask you six important questions. We always ask this collection of questions at this stage.

Because there are six questions you may prefer to split your answers up and answer two at a time, or three at a time? It is up to you.

Here they are...


1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?
Was there ever?

2) Give in your own words what the illusion of separate self is and how it shows up in experience. Also, through your inquiry, what is different now?

3) How does it feel to see this?
What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?

5) a) Describe decision,
intention,
free will,
choice and control.
What makes things happen? How does it work?

Give examples from your own recent experiences to how things happen and how things work.

b) What are you responsible for? Give examples from your own recent experiences to how this works.

6) Anything to add?

If any of this does not make sense please just ask and I will try to clarify. Have a go at answering and we can look at what you have written.

Love

Jon

[MaggieNew]

Dear Jon,

sorry for taking such long time,
my family got covid 19 ,one by one ,finally my my turn, all schedule mess up ... and now very forgetful
I will take a little bit more time to reply ya,

wait for me


lov
Maggie

[MaggieNew]

Dear Jon,

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?

no..

Was there ever?

never...

2) Give in your own words what the illusion of separate self is and how it shows up in experience.

its projection from the truth self ,the truth self just experience it

Also, through your inquiry, what is different now?

Its all illusion ， the truth don have you and me , no time limitation, no space limitation.....
All "lack of time , lack of space , lack of harmony .., suffer, happiness .." all are just illusion , come and go

3) How does it feel to see this?

What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

spaceless, timeless (no limitation) , everywhere, everything is "that"
consciousness keep expending .... fear getting lesser
all happening is just on the way , less fear and aware it was/is just life experience ....

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?

follow progressively...

5) a) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control.
What makes things happen? How does it work?

All are come from our memory bank , "take out from data bank, process then things happen...

Give examples from your own recent experiences to how things happen and how things work.

story :
during shopping , am looking for a new pan. Then I pick one from stall and ask my friend
" Lim , do you think this is a good pan?"
suddenly she get angry , she said "why everyone keep ask me ! During meeting boss ask me , during working colleague ask me ! at home kids ask me ......."
I was a bit stunned , I did not do anything wrong , just need some sharing .
In a minute ,I realise she access to her memory bank and all the memory pour out which left over inside (when the time she don like she never tell off immediately , she left over in memory)

b) What are you responsible for? Give examples from your own recent experiences to how this works.

my responsible is : whenever things happen , people I meet , is all memory left over in my memory , just "clear , clear ,clear ! "

Story :
My girl anxiety attack during exam , I aware is my responsibility , its some memory left over inside me, cause me seeing this happening, so I do "cleaning, cleaning , cleaning " all the way.. no blame no blame

6) Anything to add?

inside me , there is a push ..go further and further ..but how


If any of this does not make sense please just ask and I will try to clarify. Have a go at answering and we can look at what you have written.

Thank you Jon for your patient...


love

Maggie

[JonathanR]

Dear Maggie

Sorry to hear about your family getting Covid. Hoping you all feel better now.

Thank you for your answers. I am going to read them a few times before asking any questions. Some of it is clear and other bits...I just need to consider.

Best wishes

Jon

[JonathanR]

Hi Maggie

Please forgive the delay. I need to ask you a few things now.

.4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?
follow progressively...

Do you mean that this was a gradual thing?

. 5) a) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control.
What makes things happen? How does it work?

All are come from our memory bank , "take out from data bank, process then things happen...

Are you saying that this is all automatic?

Also, what if "causes" are too numerous for us to really know exactly what makes things happen? I ask because maybe 'memory' is only one factor (even if it seems important)?

. so I do "cleaning, cleaning , cleaning " all the way.. no blame no blame

Was there a "you" "doing" this?

It is great that you want to go further! Seeing that there's no self is really just the start.

With best wishes

Jon