Nothing is divine

[luciddreamer]

Hi Kento :)

So my initial thought process would be to say senses are what apparently makes perception possible, however, there is no real difference between them. Whenever I pay attention to the senses, I am perceiving my senses, so it seems like a loop really. But even "senses" is just a thought that arises, so ultimately there is no perception or senses, it's all perceiving.

Likewise, bird is a thought that arises when seeing is directed at a particular appearance, but I can't draw a line between seer, seeing, and seen, so in the end, it's all just the function-seeing.

Warmly,
Luka

[Bananafish]

Hi Luka; yes, that seems completely true logically, but that isn't anything other than
logic.

If you were to actually show that "relationship," this time between perception and something (please choose
one thing) in your room?

Please consider this, based on your experience.

Warmly,

Kento

[luciddreamer]

Hi Kento :)

So, I looked at a plant in my room, and there is no relationship between the plant and perception because there is no division that can be drawn.

Warmly,
Luka

[Bananafish]

Hi Luka. :)

That sounds very much like a logic.
Could you try again?

Warmly,

Kento

[luciddreamer]

Hi Kento :)

Alright, without perception the plant doesn't exist for me, so perception allows the plant to be perceived.

Warmly,
Luka

[Bananafish]

Hi Luka. :)

Still very much a logic! :) See that "so" you wrote?
Let's try it again.

Warm wishes,

Kento

[luciddreamer]

Hi Kento :)

Ok, I see what you mean.

Well, the plant is in my perception.

Warm wishes,
Luka

[Bananafish]

Hi Luka. :)

Well, the plant is in my perception.

What is it that perceives?


Best wishes,

Kento

[luciddreamer]

Hi Kento :)

Nothing perceives, it's perceiving happening without an entity to perceive.

Best wishes,
Luka

[Bananafish]

Hi Luka. :)

Nothing perceives, it's perceiving happening without an entity to perceive.

What is it that notices that "Nothing perceives, it's perceiving happening without an entity to perceive"?


Warm regards,

Kento

[luciddreamer]

Hi Kento :)

There is nothing that notices. Noticing arises without anyone noticing.

Warm regards,
Luka

[Bananafish]

Ok, Luka. Now, please describe the same thing by clearly stating what
notices it; without saying that nothing notices it.

Warm wishes,

Kento

[luciddreamer]

Hi Kento :)

Noticing notices, it is happening without a someone or something-a separate "me"-to notice.

Kind regards,
Luka

[Bananafish]

Hi Luka. :)

Thanks! Do you have anything you want to investigate further?

Bast wishes,

Kento

[luciddreamer]

Hi Kento :)

Not that I can think of. It's all clear.

I'd be interested in eventually guiding others as well (Apart from English, I also speak German in case there is some demand). Is there anywhere to go from here forum/community-wise?

Thank you so much for your time!

Best wishes,
Luka