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[warissem]

Hi Miko

It is a good observation : as you can see, a fear is a sensation on which a label "fear" is put on. Now, there is an exercise to investigate.

Sit or lie down comfortably, close you eyes. Answer to these questions through direct experience.

Can it be known how tall the body is?
Does the body have a weight or volume?
In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?

Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing?
Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?

Is there an inside or an outside?
If there is an inside - the inside of what exactly?
If there is an outside - the outside of what exactly?

What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?
What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?

Look very carefully, especially with the last question. Take your time, don’t rush. You can look several times during the day while doing other things (like washing hands, showering, having a short break from work, walking, etc) before replying.

Warissem

[Hamano]

Hi Warissem

Can it be known how tall the body is?

Closing my eyes and there is seen that there is no knowing how tall the body is through direct experience

Does the body have a weight or volume?

The body in it self seems to have some weight, but volume is not felt

In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?

The body doesn’t have a shape or a form

Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing?

For some reason I’d like to say that there is and is not a boundary between the body and clothing. It’s felt that there is something touching, but the clothing in it self is a label.

Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?

Same as the clothing

Is there an inside or an outside?

When closing my eyes there is no nothing but black, so there is no inside or outside - just emptiness

What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?

The label body seems to be something physical that can be touched and different functions such as smelling, seeing, hearing, tasting and feeling

What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?

The actual experience of the body seems to be a lot of emotions arising. Different energies

Best regards

Miko

[warissem]

Hi Miko

The body in it self seems to have some weight, but volume is not felt

I don't expect right or wrong answers but a SEEING of what is going on. You said there is some weight : do sensations have a weight ?

For some reason I’d like to say that there is and is not a boundary between the body and clothing. It’s felt that there is something touching, but the clothing in it self is a label.

Come back to the exercise and do it again : look at the body and clothing, or at the body and the chair : are two sensations (one of the body, the other of the clothing or the chair) or there is ONE sensation ? (don't go to thoughts).


What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?

The label body seems to be something physical that can be touched and different functions such as smelling, seeing, hearing, tasting and feeling

This answer is not given from direct experience : have you seen the functions of "the body" ?


What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?

The actual experience of the body seems to be a lot of emotions arising. Different energies

Are you confusing between concepts "emotions" and "sensations" ?

Warissem

[Hamano]

Hi Warissem :)

I don't expect right or wrong answers but a SEEING of what is going on. You said there is some weight : do sensations have a weight ?

There seems to be a sensation of like a "heaviness"

Come back to the exercise and do it again : look at the body and clothing, or at the body and the chair : are two sensations (one of the body, the other of the clothing or the chair) or there is ONE sensation ? (don't go to thoughts).

No, there is 1 sensation of feeling something touching the body either if it's something labeled as clothes or a chair. But there is def a sensation to the body.

Best regards

Miko

[warissem]

Hi Miko

Look at what is around there and describe for me :

what is seen
what is heard
what is smelt
what is tasted
and sensations.

Best wishes

Warissem

[Hamano]

Hi Warissem

what is seen is a screen, letters, a closet, a door

what is heard is ringing in the ears and silence

what is smelled is something sweet

what is tasted is something round and mild

what sensations are something hard on my fingers when touching the screen, pain in the head, softness on the body

Best regards

Miko

[warissem]

Hi Miko

Good observations. Maintain this kind of observation all along this dialog.

What is seeing the screen ? Look.

What is hearing the ringing ?

What is knowing sensations in the body ?

Warissem

[Hamano]

Hi Warissem

Thank you.

What is seeing the screen ? Look.

There is a sense of personalising or a kind of ownership that is seeing the screen. «My» eyes is seeing the screen.

What is hearing the ringing ?

There is a sense of personalising or a kind of ownership that is hearing the ringing. «My» body is hearing a ringing.

What is knowing sensations in the body ?

There is a sense of personalising or a kind of ownership that is knowing the sensations in the body. «My» sensations that is felt in «my» body

Best regards

Miko

[Hamano]

Hi again Warissem

Question:

There seems to be a lot of strong emotions happening due to the dating I have mentioned earlier. It seems to be a sense of “ownership” to the emotions that arise. Like: “this is happening to me”.

It seems to arise a lot of ideas/illusions and resistance which makes the emotions/energy even stronger. It seems n o t to be the calmness and “doesn’t-matter-energy” that arises in most other cases that appears to happen in life.
It’s just the meeting with this apparent person who seems to have a strong energy that seems to be turbulent in his body too. There’s definitely a sense of separation. It’s felt like: “his” energy is turbulent, “he” is having a lot of strong reactions to it and then “I” seem to get a turbulent energy and react to it too.

Is this something that we can use/take advantage of due to this apparent “process”?

Best regards

Miko

[warissem]

Hi Miko

First, you take a long time to answer to the questions I gave to you : it means that you are not fully committed to what we are doing here. If you have a strong desire to see through the illusion of a separate self, it is necessary to maintain the flow of looking at direct experience. The seeing happens in the field, plain view, it won't happen in the mind through processing thoughts (if it is the case, even the computers will see).

Second, you are always swimming among thoughts : definitely you have to LOOK at direct experience (seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching or sensations). There is no hidden meanings here, seeing means really open eyes, hearing means open hears, etc ...

You said "my eyes are seeing the screen" : is it true ? LOOK. For this one, we look together.

My eyes : is there a me in the field of direct experience ?
eyes : are there eyes in the field of direct experience ?

Look again at each question of the previous post and come back after being sure that the response is 100 % true when confronted to direct experience.

Warissem

[Hamano]

Hi Warissem

First, you take a long time to answer to the questions I gave to you : it means that you are not fully committed to what we are doing here.

Apologise for that. I respect your time and there is a commitment from my side. I definitely see the need for replying faster to keep the flow.

What is seeing the screen ? Look.

Seeing is just happening

What is hearing the ringing ?

Ringing is heard

What is knowing sensations in the body ?

The sensations in the body is felt

Best regards

Miko

[warissem]

Hi Miko

I think you begin to see more clearly the difference between direct experience and thought stories.

Here's an exercise that I would like you to try as many times throughout the day as you can. Label daily activities simply colour/image, sound, smell, taste, sensation, thought.

So for example, when having breakfast, become aware of:-

Seeing a cup, simply= image/colour
Smelling coffee, simply = smell
Feeling the warmth of the coffee cup, simply = sensation
Tasting the coffee, simply = taste
Hearing the spoon stirring the coffee, simply = sound
Thought about drinking the coffee, simply = thought

Just break down daily activities into these categories (which are all actual/direct experience) and report back how you go.

Best wishes

warissem

[Hamano]

Hi Warissem

Image/colour - silver spoon with something brown on it
Smell - slightly sweet
Sensation - soft, room temperature but also cold and hard
Taste - sweet
Sound - a «klicking» sound
Thought - «I am chewing something soft with something crunchy»

Image/colour - transparent glass with transparent liquid
Smell - slightly round smell
Sensation - cold and wet
Taste - very slightly a round and sweet taste
Sound - a swallowing sound (don’t know how to describe it, so I used a label)
Thought - healthy for the body

Best regards

Miko

[warissem]

Hi Miko

This an exercise for you : Sit quietly for about 30 minutes and notice the arising thoughts. Just let them appear as they appear. Try your best to COMPLETELY ignore what they are saying and just notice how they appear without you doing anything at all.

Where are they coming from and going to?
Did you do anything to make a particular thought or thoughts appear?
Could you have done anything to make a different thought appear at that exact moment instead?
Can you predict your next thought?
Can you select from a range of thoughts to have only pleasant thoughts?
Can you choose not to have painful, negative or fearful thoughts?
Can you pick and choose any kind of thought?
Is it possible to prevent a thought from appearing?

Take your time to do the observations.

Warissem

[Hamano]

Hi Warissem

What an exciting exercise!

Where are they coming from and going to?

They seem to come from no where and going back to no where

Did you do anything to make a particular thought or thoughts appear?

No, they just arised from no where

Could you have done anything to make a different thought appear at that exact moment instead?

No, I could think I could control it, but that would also be what was appearing

Can you predict your next thought?

No

Can you select from a range of thoughts to have only pleasant thoughts?

No

Can you choose not to have painful, negative or fearful thoughts?

No

Can you pick and choose any kind of thought?

Is it possible to prevent a thought from appearing?
No, they are just appearing

Best regards

Miko