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Re: Looking for patient guide

Postby Damon Kamda » Fri May 25, 2012 6:53 pm

Apologies for the delayed reply, Debbie.

It's really good to hear there's enjoyment and experience has lightened up.

Can you give detailed answers to the questions below, so we can see if there's any sticking points left? Thanks!
There is no "I"
So, what happened that you are able to say this?
What is the I that is not there?
How would you explain this to someone who wanted to understand?
do not know what to call this construct that types and goes to work
What construct?
What is it that is typing?
What is it that is going to work?
If "you" does not exist what is creating this story.
You tell me. What does the story consist of? Is something creating the story?

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Re: Looking for patient guide

Postby bayousun1 » Sat May 26, 2012 8:42 pm

There is no "I".
So, what happened that you are able to say this?
>>There was a release of resistance. A willingness to let go of thought and relax all defenses. When this catharsis was through it was as though there was a reboot and "I" was gone. In my day to day life each moment appears fresh, no thought about past/future and a little fuzzy around the edges.

What is the I that is not there?
>>>The "I" that is no longer here is the attachment to past/future, thoughts about stuff not in present awareness that there is no control over. I still have thoughts but recognize that they come and go easily no attachment.

How would you explain this to someone who wanted to understand?
>>>>When we let go of the importance placed on a "me" or "I" and all the attachments that are associated such as past issues (baggage), self consciousness about who you think you are in the world, What life should be like and open up to only what is now, present experience, connections are richer, fuller.

The brain attempts to create a story about all this but after a deep breath stories are gone.

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Re: Looking for patient guide

Postby bayousun1 » Sat May 26, 2012 9:13 pm

Is what we call the body/mind a story? where does the story originate? Is there a purpose?
So all these possessions we have are simply attempts to verify a me. "I" have stuff therefor I exist :)
What construct?
What is it that is typing?
What is it that is going to work?
>>>No one, no "I" goes to work or types. The story consists of .... Well I was going to say experience but who is having this experience and creating it? I don't know they just happen like all senses.

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Re: Looking for patient guide

Postby Damon Kamda » Sat May 26, 2012 11:45 pm

There was a release of resistance. A willingness to let go of thought and relax all defenses. When this catharsis was through it was as though there was a reboot and "I" was gone. In my day to day life each moment appears fresh, no thought about past/future and a little fuzzy around the edges.
The "I" that is no longer here is the attachment to past/future, thoughts about stuff not in present awareness that there is no control over. I still have thoughts but recognize that they come and go easily no attachment.
Wonderful! Was there a specific moment when this letting go happened? Anything in particular that triggered this?
Any doubt, questions left?
Is what we call the body/mind a story?
Well, you can answer these for yourself by looking at it directly, much like you just did with the notion of self.

Is there any thing, anything that is not a "story"?
Can you find, in your direct experience, a body, a mind, a body/mind?
where does the story originate?
If these are indeed stories, concepts, then where do they come from?
What is it that creates the illusion of separation in the first place? In this moment- what does the illusion consist of, what is it made of?
Is there a purpose?
Hmmm... does that question really make sense in the context of what's been seen now?

In a lot of traditions there exist notions of enlightenment, liberation, awakening. What are your thoughts on that at the moment?

I'm going to ask some other guides to take a look at this thread to see if there's some questions anyone might have.

Wishing you well... ;-)

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Re: Looking for patient guide

Postby bayousun1 » Tue May 29, 2012 4:02 pm

After a holiday weekend and further inquiry ....

Wonderful! Was there a specific moment when this letting go happened?
>>>This was a gradual process. A wearing down of the story/mind to let other possibilities exist.

Anything in particular that triggered this?
>>>Exploring the questions you posed the "I" story could no longer be supported. The loss of the story that "I" was "in charge" allowed present experience to become clear.

Any doubt, questions left?
"If these are indeed stories, concepts, then where do they come from?
What is it that creates the illusion of separation in the first place? In this moment- what does the illusion consist of, what is it made of?"
>>>>>These are the questions that persist and will continue the inquiry.

Is there any thing, anything that is not a "story"?
>>>No.

Can you find, in your direct experience, a body, a mind, a body/mind?
>>>Just the story of them.

In a lot of traditions there exist notions of enlightenment, liberation, awakening. What are your thoughts on that at the moment?
>>>To avoid the creation of more stories it is best to guide others to a place where their own stories can fall away naturally. More stories are created when there is a certain dogma to be followed that actually causes more suffering
for the seeker of awakening.
>>>>How does one know that this present experience is not another story?

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Re: Looking for patient guide

Postby Damon Kamda » Tue May 29, 2012 6:43 pm

After a holiday weekend and further inquiry ....
Nice! It was a similar weekend here as well.

So, how is it going now? How does it feel to see this?
How does one know that this present experience is not another story?
That depends on what you mean by the question, really, and what the present experience is, of course.
Could you elaborate a bit?

The aim of this forum is really quite straightforward and simple. There will surely be a lifetime of interesting stories to examine, yet the purpose of this forum is simply to examine the self-story, so easily taken to be real.

So, my question back at you is simply: would you be able to ever in the existence of an actual, separate self? Would that be possible?

The reason I'm asking you to write some more, and in some more detail, is because it is indeed entirely possible to turn the initial grasping of the illusion of separation into more delusion and retreat into subtler forms of identity. The possibilities are endless. So: tell me: is there a you here at all, in any way, shape or form?

Warm regards...

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Re: Looking for patient guide

Postby bayousun1 » Wed May 30, 2012 3:20 pm

There will surely be a lifetime of interesting stories to examine.
>>>>No me here or there. Thoughts arise that are still searching for me and as there is continued conformation that it does not exist those thoughts will fade.

Forever in present awareness thank you for your guidance to this moment, it is so freeing.

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Re: Looking for patient guide

Postby Damon Kamda » Thu May 31, 2012 12:49 pm

No me here or there. Thoughts arise that are still searching for me and as there is continued conformation that it does not exist those thoughts will fade.
:-)
Forever in present awareness thank you for your guidance to this moment, it is so freeing.
You are most welcome, Debbie!

I'm awaiting confirmation from some of the other guides here, after which you'll be able to access another part of this forum. You're more than welcome to stick around.


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