I'm not separate

[Luchana]

Hi

Thanks for the answer

Is a thought an entity with intention to make big problems?

A- thoughts themselves are not alive,but they can initiate a whole cascade of intention, volition,
Thoughts themselves are inert,but may initiate a big problem by stimulating willingness of doing some work.
For example a thought of murdering someone arises,this thought can't do murder,but this thought can stimulate a man for murdering someone.

Can you see that all this is just a story? The story about me who can think and who can do?
So, sit quietly somewhere and notise in this same moment:
is there live happening or there is me happening?
You know that "me" is just a thought aren't you?



Much love
luchana

[Asheshjain]

Good morning.
Happy now.
Q-is there live happening or there is me happening?
You know that "me" is just a thought aren't you?
Answer-yes life is happening as aliveness, sensations.
Me is not there.reflexly(due to old habbit) sometimes appears,but again disappear also.
It's looked that all sensation, happening ppearance -- originate from nothing and disappear in nothing.this miraculous thind happen by itself.without doer.

[Luchana]

Hi,

this miraculous thind happen by itself.without doer.

Nice. Is there someone or something who/which is No-doer?

What makes things happen than?



Much love,
Luchana

[Asheshjain]

Hello mam
Good morning.
Q- Is there someone or something who/which is No-doer?
A-no doer can't be found,it happens spontaneously,
May be we ma call it life-aliveness.
Q-What makes things happen than?
A- spontaneously ,by miraculous power of mind/maya?
Accutually I don't know.

[Luchana]

Hi,

A- spontaneously ,by miraculous power of mind/maya?
Accutually I don't know.

First part of this statment is thinking.
Second is looking.

Do you see the difference?
Now, look at the same way

What can a thougth do?
Can a thought make something REAL?


Much love,
Luchana

[Asheshjain]

Good day.
Hello.
Q-
What can a thougth do?
Can a thought make something REAL?
A- thought can't do anything.
Thoughts can't make something real.

[Luchana]

Hi,

Good :-)

So is there a choice what kind of thoughts to appear?

Let's investigate this by doing a very simple exercise

Go and take two glasses with different beverages (milk and water, or juise and coke, or coffe and tea).
Put these glasses in front of you. Look at them and chose one.
As you do this notice whether a 'self' does it. Also notice if there are many or any moments in the whole procedure of taking glasses, puting something in them (etc) when 'you' control the process?


How the decision is made which glass to choose?
Is there a moment of choice or it happens automatically?
Do ‘you’ choose?
Can a chooser be located?

Be very vigilant, do as many times as it’s possible.
Do the exercise literally and look how things are happening in experience.

And reply each quesition separately.

Much love,
Luchana

[Asheshjain]

Hello mam.
Good morning.
Q-So is there a choice what kind of thoughts to appear?A-sometimes yes.
Q--
How the decision is made which glass to choose
A- sometimes according to requirement.
Something according to like/dislike.
Q-Is there a moment of choice or it happens automatically?
A-sometimes fumbling occurs,than automatically.
Q-Do ‘you’ choose?
Can a chooser be located
A- no one is there to choose,chooser can't be located.
Good day

[Luchana]

Hi,

Q-So is there a choice what kind of thoughts to appear?A-sometimes yes.

So is there a choice what kind of thoughts to appear?A-sometimes yes.

And how exactly this is happening in experience?
Please, explane HOW choosing one thought and not another happens in experience with as much details as it is possible.

Something according to like/dislike.

Did you choose what to like and dislike?

A-sometimes fumbling occurs,than automatically.

What is NOT automatically?


Another exercise. Please note that you have to LITERALLY do the given exercise and look into the questions, not just superficial. But repetitively. More than 50-60 times per day and than write the reply.
Is it possible?

Sit for a while somewhere.

1. Hold a hand in front of you; palm turned down.
2. Now turn the palm up. And down...and up and so on.

Watch like a hawk.

Don't go to thoughts – examine your direct experience.
Do this as many times as you like, and each time inquire:

How is the movement controlled?
Does a thought control it?
Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?
How is the decision made to turn the hand over?
Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.
Who or what​ ​chose which hand - the left or right hand for the exercise?
Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?


Please reply each question in blue separately.


Take your time
Much love,
Luchana

[Asheshjain]

Good day mam
Hello
Q-And how exactly this is happening in experience?
Please, explane HOW choosing one thought and not another happens in experience with as much details as it is possible.
A-when there is one thing to be selected from more than one for example between coffee and coke.taste, flavour,liking ,disliking, usefull or harmful --every characterstics are stored in brain cells.so braincells have internal connection and there decision is made -which one to be consumed- this is a neutral happening, nobody behind it,it's spontaneous.
Q-Did you choose what to like and dislike?
A- no choosing happens itself
Q
What is NOT automatically?
Everything is automatically.
Q-How is the movement controlled?
Does a thought control it?
A-By oral command massage transfers to hands,via nerves, thoughts don't control it.
Q-Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?
A- no
Q-How is the decision made to turn the hand over
A- automatically or say.
Q
Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.
A-when word "doit fast "is used, immediately done
Q-Who or what​ ​chose which hand - the left or right hand for the exercise
A-dont know.
Q-
Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?
A- No

[Luchana]

Hi,

when there is one thing to be selected from more than one for example between coffee and coke.taste, flavour,liking ,disliking, usefull or harmful --every characterstics are stored in brain cells.so braincells have internal connection and there decision is made -which one to be consumed-

Can you REALLY see this?
Or this is something you've learned, read and thought?
Does this statemnt match your immediate direct experience?

See, here we are not looking into the thoughts to tell us, we just look at see how things are.
Be honest, look again and tell me do you really see how "every characterstics are stored in brain cells.?"


Or you can only think about this?

oral command massage transfers to hands,via nerves,

Again - pure intellectualising...we are not going anywhere with this.
Thinking is dead end. Thinking about this is not helping you. You can't resolve this by thinking.

automatically or say.

I don't quite understand. Is everythig goes on automatic?

Let's investigate deeper:

In the morning when you woke up stay for 5 min in the bed, than leave it.

Look thorough. Be very alert.

Can you see a self making you leave the bed?

Where does the "decision" to leave the bad come from?

Is there something giving the "command" to get up ?

Is there controller hiding? If so, where exactly?

What makes the body get up?

Does a ‘you’ command the body?

Does a thought command the body?


Dig deep.Reply each question in blue.

Much love,
Luchana

[Asheshjain]

Hello mam.
Good morning.
Q-Can you REALLY see this?
Or this is something you've learned, read and thought?
Does this statemnt match your immediate direct experience?
A- I can't directly see it.but as I m a doctor,I knew all bodily mechanisms,how they work,so it's from my knowledge.
Q:-Can you see a self making you leave the bed?
A- no.
Q-Where does the "decision" to leave the bad come from?
A- nowhere.
Q-Is there something giving the "command" to get up ?
A- no
Q-
Is there controller hiding? If so, where exactly?
A-not seen
Q-
What makes the body get up?
A--spontaneously
Q-
Does a ‘you’ command the body?
A- no
Q-
Does a thought command the body?
A-No..

[Luchana]

Hi,

I can't directly see it.but as I m a doctor,I knew all bodily mechanisms,how they work,so it's from my knowledge.

Yep, this all is coming from knowledge and not from direct experience, which is a core of our exploraition here.

You did a very good looking into the moovements.

Next during the day investigate also simple daily activities - like what to dress, what to eat, drink and so on, what to bye ..?

Is there a place where the commands come from?
Who ot what gives them?
Look for the point where the decision was made.
Is it possible to find such a point?
Can a source where the decision comes from be found?

Dig deep.

Much love,
Luchana

[Asheshjain]

Good morning mam.
Q- is there a place where the commands come from?
Who ot what gives them?
A- No such places found.
Q-llok for the point where the decision was made.
Is it possible to find such a point?
Can a source where the decision comes from be found?
A- no point found ,where decision made,no source is found.

[Luchana]

Hi,

you did a good loking.

How does it feel to see that there is no point from where the decisions come from?
That there is no one or nothing that is doing the choosing?



Let's dig deeper.

Can you now sit for a while quetlly and just look first right and than left and than what is in front.

And look these very simple questions:

Can you NOT see the view on the left?
Can you NOT see the view on the right?
Can you NOT see the view in front?
Can you turn off seeing?

What did the 'chooser' choose?

Did a 'self' choose something?

If you are unable to choose what you're aware of, then what else is there to choose?

Take your time and reply all questions in blue.

Much love,
Luchana