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Re: OK

Postby Luchana » Thu Dec 30, 2021 8:20 am

Hi Don,
-A Thought can not do anything, believing the thought, resisting the thought can create tension.
Look very carefully and explore for a whole day in different situations:

Who is what is believing the thought?
How thought is creating tension at experience?
What brings the information that a thought is creating a tension?


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Re: OK

Postby Luchana » Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:29 pm

Hi Don and Happy New Year,

I will give time to these questions, I do initially wonder why, since I wrote thoughts do not do these things, but believing in the thoughts creates the tensions that become contractions in the body experience that one brings 'looking' to. Of course, who is believing in the thought is an illusionary ME, yet that 'apparently' happens. When the illusion of me dissolves the believing the thought does not happen and it is just life happening as that thought arising. OK, carry on Don... :)
So this is understanding and thinking of how things are. You just describe the content of your thoughts. But this wount help. So with every single question I give you, I’m asking you to check your immediate experience (five-senses), and never ever rely on thought, memory or imagination.


Do you expect that the ullusion of the self, of you will dissolve?

How can something which NEVER exicted to dissolve?



Tell me about this separate self, this I.

What is this I made of?

Where is it?



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Luchana
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Re: OK

Postby Ovidius » Sun Jan 09, 2022 2:50 am

Who or what is believing the thought?
How is thought creating tension in experience?
What brings the information that a thought is creating a tension?
From the direct experience a who or what is believing the thought neither a who nor a what can be found in this moment.
It is clear that thought does not create tension, the only thing that brings that information is another thought.
I see the difference between the direct experience and thinking intellectually about the process. I find I leave the direct knowing of no thinker here to map an intellectual understanding of the same, and by doing fall back into a Me thinker. Now, an attempt to get it falls away and life lives me.

Yet, it appears that when not in a direct experience believing creates a story of tension which can create a cycle of resistance and seeking rather than living in there is only THIS.

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Re: OK

Postby Ovidius » Sun Jan 09, 2022 3:18 am

Do you expect that the illusion of the self, of you will dissolve?
How can something which NEVER existed to dissolve?
Tell me about this separate self, this I.

What is this I made of? Where is it?
When not using the senses of direct experience, I fall into my Me working to liberate me, it is a subtle but convincing process that appears to be making progress. :) When I come back to the questions, nothing can be found, no separate self, no I, so I is made of nothing and exists no where. To question the questions requires not doing the questions at that moment. I see that now, like thinking about the questions is not really doing the 'looking' into the questions, a subtle reidentification with thought, rather than letting the question bring me to no one is thinking any of it, it is all just happening as this.

I am Left in a fearless moment of aliveness.

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Re: OK

Postby Luchana » Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:31 am

Hi Don,
I ready both of your replies. And I want to hilight only one statement. Hope you are ok with this.
I fall into my Me working to liberate me, it is a subtle but convincing process that appears to be making progress. :)
How is experience Me working to liberate me - Disribe what 5 sensec experienst?

Can a thought create a real Me? A thought of an unicorn - is there a REAL unicorn found in the room?

Do the thoughts can fix themselves or there are just thoughts?



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Re: OK

Postby Luchana » Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:45 am

And one more:

How can a thought remove a thought about unicorn?

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Re: OK

Postby Ovidius » Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:00 pm

Hi Luchana,
How is experiencing Me working to liberate me - Describe what the 5 senses experience?
Can a thought create a real Me? A thought of an unicorn - is there a REAL unicorn found in the room?
Do the thoughts can fix themselves or there are just thoughts?
I took the liberty to edit your questions. I don't think you understood my satirical statement and took it as a factual statement that I fall into 'my me working to liberate me......' The essential part was not using the direct senses in the moment and then there 'appears to be' When not using the senses of direct experience

I am concerned there is a language confusion arises here and that you are not really understanding what I'm communicating. Do you over focus on one line and not take what I write in context to the whole paragraph? Of course a thought can not create a real me, and thoughts can not fix themselves, nor once a thought happens another thought can not remove it (your unicorn example)
I was communicating the difference between doing the questions in real time which uses the 5 senses as opposed to thinking of the questions. I was sharing an insight between Looking and thinking regarding the LU questions. The repeat of similar questions from you leaves me wondering if you heard what I was communicating. I have no issue with those questions nor do I feel that I am doing what your questions seem to be pointing to?!


Who or what is not feeling seen and heard by Luchana?! That is the inquiry in the moment. :)
love, Don

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Re: OK

Postby Luchana » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:22 am

Hi Don,

I hear you. To be honest I'm not sure I understand what you mean (it may be some language stuff) though your replies sound a bit complicated and intellectual. There is no intention here to makes you feel bad or not getting right. Not at all. All I'm trying to do is to point towards the simple fact that there is no you to be found anywhere, REGARDLESS of any thougth there there is a you.
And the only reason I'm not replying to all of your comments is because there will be an endless cirles of exchanging ideas and words, which is completely useless and is not helping you.

Can you give another try:

What if there is no more ‘me’ but rather there is just the seeing of the habitual thoughts and perceptions that is MISTAKEN FOR a ‘me’?

What if there is no ‘me’ whatsoever?
No seer?

What if life is, but no ‘me’ to identify with it and call it ‘myself’?


Don't reply quickly. Please spend few days (before our meeting on Thursday) checking this, again and again. Even when it feels like "I already know the answer' look more. This is actually quite humbling... it's putting down the 'intellectual hammer' of thoughts. To let go off the 'I-know-mind', and just be open to not knowing. Just being open.

Much love,
Luchana
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Re: OK

Postby Luchana » Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:33 am

Hi Don,

you've mention on our last meating that something happend/shifted after you've been pissed off. Or something like this? As far as I remember Correct me if I'm wrong.


Can you say some more about this?
How the shift itself felt?
Also - does still seaking going on?
Are there any doubts?
How is the sense of responsibility felt now?
Responsibility towards who?

Much love,
Luchana
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Re: OK

Postby Ovidius » Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:42 am

Hi Luchana,

Funny, I didn't get a notice as usual that you posted in the forum. Just seeing it now.
Will respond tomorrow. All is good speak with you Wednesday.
love,
Don

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Re: OK

Postby Luchana » Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:01 pm

Hi Don,

all right.
See you tomorrow than.

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Re: OK

Postby Ovidius » Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:49 pm

you've mention on our last meating that something happend/shifted after you've been pissed off. Or something like this? As far as I remember Correct me if I'm wrong.
Can you say some more about this?
How the shift itself felt?
Also - does still seaking going on?
Are there any doubts?
How is the sense of responsibility felt now?
Responsibility towards who?
What I shared in our last meeting was: I was looking at the last questions prior to our last chat, an irritation and edge over not being seen or heard by you came up. Initially a feeling of pissed or anger that became the focus of deep looking. I brought 'I see you', 'I hear you' to the contraction/tension of anger. After minutes of deep looking, all opened to one open flow, any anger or pissed off, dissolved into just energy, which is all that it is. Shared with you about the wholeness navigating me. This led to looking through a billion eyes just looking with no me looking. The more as this, the more open it becomes, the magnitude has no edge or end point.

It felt like life celebrating itself as this character relating this.

Seeking has mostly left, and when it does arise as the what is now, I can go behind it arising to where no seeking is happening, which lets an energy flow to any tension the seeking brought up and that tension lets go. Similarly doubt can arise, but as with seeking sensing below or behind doubt there is none. Need more time with how to respond to responsibility.
Love, Don

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Re: OK

Postby Luchana » Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:47 pm

Hi Don,
After minutes of deep looking, all opened to one open flow, any anger or pissed off, dissolved into just energy, which is all that it is. Shared with you about the wholeness navigating me. This led to looking through a billion eyes just looking with no me looking. The more as this, the more open it becomes, the magnitude has no edge or end point.
Oh, so beautiful to read this...
It felt like life celebrating itself as this character relating this.
yea..!
Seeking has mostly left, and when it does arise as the what is now, I can go behind it arising to where no seeking is happening, which lets an energy flow to any tension the seeking brought up and that tension lets go. Similarly doubt can arise, but as with seeking sensing below or behind doubt there is none. Need more time with how to respond to responsibility.
It may need some more time for everything to settle down. And with the responsibility is like with every other belief. Just look for the supposed one who has any responsibility.

And responsabile actions may appear, but is there someone doing them?

Much love and see you later.

Luchana
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Re: OK

Postby Luchana » Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:38 pm

Hi Don.

Here what to look at after our last meeting:


Can you say with 100% certainty that there is no such thing as a separate entity, I, me?

Can you say with 100% certainty that there is no such thing as chooser?

Is it completely clear that there is no I/me choosing or deciding?

Is it totally clear that there is no such thing as choice or free will?

Also the question from the last message:

What is Don responsabile for?
Responsabile towards who?


Much love,
Luchana
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Re: OK

Postby Ovidius » Sun Feb 06, 2022 4:35 pm

Hi Luchana,

We went through the last questions together live in Zoom. Should I also respond here or are there additional ones for me.
love,
Don


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