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Okay, no problem!
Best,
Jade
Well, right now, it feels more like a belief, whereas I think it should be known through direct experience. I'm not quite sure how to get to the direct experience. I sit with my eyes closed and try to observe the present and acknowledge that what is happening has nothing to do with me.IS This just Believed or Seen Through in Direct Experience ???
What is seen are sights, sounds, sensations, smells, tastes, and thoughts. But I don't feel as if I've seen THROUGH anything.And Then What's Seen Through & What's Not ?!?
Hi my Dear Friend First Awesome for Your Patience Honesty & Sincerity !!!Hi Stafford,
Well, right now, it feels more like a belief, whereas I think it should be known through direct experience. I'm not quite sure how to get to the direct experience. I sit with my eyes closed and try to observe the present and acknowledge that what is happening has nothing to do with me.IS This just Believed or Seen Through in Direct Experience ???
What is seen are sights, sounds, sensations, smells, tastes, and thoughts. But I don't feel as if I've seen THROUGH anything.And Then What's Seen Through & What's Not ?!?
Take care!
Jade
Okay, I'd like to work on this more tomorrow, if that's ok, and I'll let you know how it goes!Ok take a Good Look at What's Knowing & Observing This is feeling like it's just a Belief & Nothing is Seen THROUGH !!! What Knows That & How Does IT come up ???
All Good no problem & You're so WelcomeHi!
Okay, I'd like to work on this more tomorrow, if that's ok, and I'll let you know how it goes!Ok take a Good Look at What's Knowing & Observing This is feeling like it's just a Belief & Nothing is Seen THROUGH !!! What Knows That & How Does IT come up ???
Thank you!
Jade
I couldn't find anything. I feel like when I'm looking, I'm trying to ignore the thoughts or look between/behind them, in order to see something, but there isn't anything there. Sometimes I start having this brief sensation of going deeper into the darkness/nothingness, almost like I'm kind of dissolving, I honestly don't know how to better describe it. It doesn't last long.Ok take a Good Look at What's Knowing & Observing This is feeling like it's just a Belief & Nothing is Seen THROUGH !!! What Knows That & How Does IT come up ???
Hi Jade !!!I couldn't find anything. I feel like when I'm looking, I'm trying to ignore the thoughts or look between/behind them, in order to see something, but there isn't anything there. Sometimes I start having this brief sensation of going deeper into the darkness/nothingness, almost like I'm kind of dissolving, I honestly don't know how to better describe it. It doesn't last long.Ok take a Good Look at What's Knowing & Observing This is feeling like it's just a Belief & Nothing is Seen THROUGH !!! What Knows That & How Does IT come up ???
Whatever is watching all of this, this awareness, I suppose I am still having a hard time not feeling like it is some other version of me. Even though I can't find anything that I can call me, there is some sort of cling to identify with the awareness as me. Like an underlying me that is watching the made up of character of me struggling with all this.
Thanks for your patience,
Jade
("""I couldn't find anything. I feel like when I'm looking, I'm trying to ignore the thoughts or look between/behind them, in order to see something, but there isn't anything there. Sometimes I start having this brief sensation of going deeper into the darkness/nothingness, almost like I'm kind of dissolving, I honestly don't know how to better describe it. It doesn't last long.Haha ok, sounds good, talk to you again tomorrow!
No.Can a Non entity find something ???
No.Can a Non entity Struggle with No Thing ???
They are just happening, I am not doing anything. What are feelings, thoughts, sounds and sights made from? I have no idea what feelings and thoughts are made from. I suppose they are these complicated, but automated reactions to various types of stimuli. Sights and sounds I would say are the result of energy changes in the environment, which the brain then interprets.Look once again into Feelings Thoughts Sounds & Sights are You doing them & what are they made from ???
Expectations cannot be compared with right now, because they don't exist. Expectations are part of the made up story.Lastly what Expectation can Be Compared with Right Now ???
Hi Jade Ok I just want You to reflect on What You're Seeing & ask is There Really anything That can Be understood that Would create a Permanent Feeling of Getting IT or Not Getting IT ???Hello hello,
No.Can a Non entity find something ???
No.Can a Non entity Struggle with No Thing ???
They are just happening, I am not doing anything. What are feelings, thoughts, sounds and sights made from? I have no idea what feelings and thoughts are made from. I suppose they are these complicated, but automated reactions to various types of stimuli. Sights and sounds I would say are the result of energy changes in the environment, which the brain then interprets.Look once again into Feelings Thoughts Sounds & Sights are You doing them & what are they made from ???
Expectations cannot be compared with right now, because they don't exist. Expectations are part of the made up story.Lastly what Expectation can Be Compared with Right Now ???
Thanks Stafford, talk to you tomorrow!
Jade
No, there is no one to be understood. I'd like to explore more on my concern about getting it or not getting it, tomorrow, and let you know what else comes up!is There Really anything That can Be understood that Would create a Permanent Feeling of Getting IT or Not Getting IT ???
Ok talk tomorrow & Great Work Jade !!!No, there is no one to be understood. I'd like to explore more on my concern about getting it or not getting it, tomorrow, and let you know what else comes up!is There Really anything That can Be understood that Would create a Permanent Feeling of Getting IT or Not Getting IT ???
Best,
Jade
I spent a lot of time today looking for where the feeling was coming from and I couldn't find any place it was coming from. Or any one it was coming from. And then maybe I started to have some realization that the feeling of needing to search for something is just part of this self-perpetuating story on autopilot. And I acknowledged that there may have been some anxiety or discomfort, about not knowing what like would be like if I wasn't searching for anything any longer. And I kept looking and suddenly something let go and I realized there is no one to get stuck. Even though we talked about that and I knew that theoretically, it kind of washed over me and I felt lighter and kind of chuckled. There is no one here to be stuck or to be looking for anything, duh! There are now even still thoughts that are coming up, "What if the feeling of being stuck comes back?" But I feel with confidence that I can dismiss this feeling when I look and confirm that there is no one here to feel stuck. I assume I will easily get sucked back into the stories more than I'd like to, but hopefully as I keep on seeing, I can become better at ignoring all the stories that will play on.is There Really anything That can Be understood that Would create a Permanent Feeling of Getting IT or Not Getting IT ???
That Absolutely made me Tear up !!!Hi Stafford,
I spent a lot of time today looking for where the feeling was coming from and I couldn't find any place it was coming from. Or any one it was coming from. And then maybe I started to have some realization that the feeling of needing to search for something is just part of this self-perpetuating story on autopilot. And I acknowledged that there may have been some anxiety or discomfort, about not knowing what like would be like if I wasn't searching for anything any longer. And I kept looking and suddenly something let go and I realized there is no one to get stuck. Even though we talked about that and I knew that theoretically, it kind of washed over me and I felt lighter and kind of chuckled. There is no one here to be stuck or to be looking for anything, duh! There are now even still thoughts that are coming up, "What if the feeling of being stuck comes back?" But I feel with confidence that I can dismiss this feeling when I look and confirm that there is no one here to feel stuck. I assume I will easily get sucked back into the stories more than I'd like to, but hopefully as I keep on seeing, I can become better at ignoring all the stories that will play on.is There Really anything That can Be understood that Would create a Permanent Feeling of Getting IT or Not Getting IT ???
All my gratitude!
Jade