Hello

[Vivien]

Hi Jared,

I should have put “seemingly making thoughts” here instead. It’s a sense of the seemingly real thinker. The thoughts about taking responsibility for making thoughts. But there is nothing there responsible for the thoughts, although it can seem and feel that way. There is thought about and a feeling of self. I can’t really describe it. It’s just like this feeling that follows along everywhere.

Please describe to me the FEELING of self as precisely as you can.
Where does this feeling of self is FELT in the body exactly?

What kind of feeling is it?
Is this REALLY a feeling?

I can’t find anything real. Only a sense of the seemingly real self.

So how this ‘sense of self’ is SENSED? By which of the 5 senses?

It seems kind of like a ball of thoughts and emotions which seems like it is Jared?

When thoughts are there, then they are there.
When there are emotions, then they are there.

Thoughts are there, emotions are there, but where is Jared?

You say ‘SEEMS like’, so what is making thoughts and emotions into a SEEMING likeness of Jared?

But during an ordinary day there is a sense of something which feels very familiar which is labeled as “Jared” and perception of reality seems to be shaped through the lens of “Jared”, whatever that is.

OK. So you are repeatedly talking about a sense of Jared / self.

But is this really what is happening? Is there REALLY a SENSE / SENSATION of Jared / self?

But it’s not particularly pleasant. It’s just... familiar. Safe.

You are repeatedly referring to something… so what is this something that is familiar?

How familiarity itself is actually experienced?
Is familiarity a sound? Or a color? Taste? Smell? Sensation? Thought?

What would Jared be if this familiarity was let go of?

And what would let go of this SEEMING familiarity?
Do you think that there is a you, who could let go?

Is there something which has a control to let go?

Is there a fear about this?

Lots of hesitancy to get out the cloth and clean the lenses. But it’s just protection. Protection from the unknown, from the unfamiliar, trying to keep “me” safe. I am starting to see there’s nothing to protect, but it doesn’t feel that way.

Are you 100% sure that you are talking about actual real FEELINGS / SENSATIONS, and not just about thoughts with the content ‘feels like’?

Are there ACTUAL feelings behind the words ‘feels like’ or ‘seems like’, or these are just empty words, without any actual felt sensations?

I’ve been looking and looking. Inquiring about many things. A thought came which contained “I love driving”, I inquired “who loves driving?”. A thought came which contained “I hope I don’t get pulled over”, I inquired “who hopes they don’t get pulled over?”. A thought came which contained “I am thinking this thought”, I inquired “who is thinking this thought?” “How do you think this thought?” “Are you just a thought?”. I keep doing this over and over.

Your questions are good, but the inquiry part is not so. If the answer comes in a form of thought, then it’s a sure sign that you are not investigating experience, rather you are just waiting for an answer to arrive, and that answer can only arrive in a form of a thought. But all thoughts recycled. The same old stuff. What arrives in forms of thoughts, just your habitual beliefs.

When you look, don’t just ask the question and then passively wait for a thought answer to arrive. The answer won’t come to you. You have to ‘go to’ the answer. What I mean by that is that after asking the questions you have to ACTIVELY SEARCH THROUGH the whole body for a self / I/ Jared.

If Jared / I / self actually existed, it could be easily found by the 5 senses.
It could be seen, heard, smelled, tasted, smelled, touched.
So when you look for Jared, look with your 5 senses.

I’m struggling to find anything concrete. I don’t know what it is. It’s not so obvious anymore. It’s actually extremely ambiguous. I’m prying for answers, I don’t seem to be coming up with much. Just a whole lot of thoughts, anxious emotions.. frustration.

This is actually good!

What if the reason it gets ambiguous is because the more you look, the more you see that there is NO self, NO Jared in reality?

It’s not hard for me to see how thoughts happens without a thinker but I’m having trouble seeing how control happens without a controller. I’m not sure why. Maybe because control isn’t real at all, but thoughts are?

Doesn’t the seeming control happen in a form of a thought?
Is there any other control than THOUGHTS ABOUT control?

Thought exists and so it can survive in non-dual reality but control does not exist so it cannot survive in reality which is non-dual.

What do you mean by this sentence? What is this non-dual reality you are talking about?

Thought exists and so it can survive in non-dual reality but control does not exist so it cannot survive in reality which is non-dual. It can only seemingly exist in the illusion of duality because it is illusory itself.

The thing is that you are speculation.

Speculating = thinking

But unfortunately, thinking cannot get you anywhere. Just to more concepts, and more confusion.

The answer is right in front of you.
But you are looking for the wrong direction.
You are looking for answers in thoughts, in fantasy.
But you will never be able to find the answers in fiction (thought).
The answer is here know in this very moment, in the immediacy of experience, of the 5 senses.

Please tell me about the EXPERIENCE of non-dual reality?

Is this something that can be experienced, or is this is a phrase you learned through reading and videos?

It’s happening automatically on its own. I keep investigating this over and over and I cannot find anything except for thought. No thinker, no decider, manager, etc.

Good, just keep looking :)

Vivien

[Tomahawk297]

Going to give this another day of investigating.

[Vivien]

All right, please be thorough :)

[Tomahawk297]

Please describe to me the FEELING of self as precisely as you can.
Where does this feeling of self is FELT in the body exactly?

What kind of feeling is it?
Is this REALLY a feeling?

When I look for it, attention goes to a feeling in the chest. It’s like an anxious ball of energy, but when I look at it it seems to dissolve after a little while. I can’t really describe it further than that as far as feeling goes. Any further explanation would just be thought about it trying to analyze and speculate.

So how this ‘sense of self’ is SENSED? By which of the 5 senses?

None of these.

Thoughts are there, emotions are there, but where is Jared?

You say ‘SEEMS like’, so what is making thoughts and emotions into a SEEMING likeness of Jared?

I just realized it’s just thought about thoughts and emotions relating to the label Jared. It’s all just thoughts.

But is this really what is happening? Is there REALLY a SENSE / SENSATION of Jared / self?

Okay okay no, I see now there is only thought. Thoughts which are labeling feelings and sensations and other thoughts.

You are repeatedly referring to something… so what is this something that is familiar?

How familiarity itself is actually experienced?
Is familiarity a sound? Or a color? Taste? Smell? Sensation? Thought?

Familiarity is just a label for the cycle of thoughts/emotions which seem to have been on a repeating loop for a long time.

And what would let go of this SEEMING familiarity?
Do you think that there is a you, who could let go?

Is there something which has a control to let go?

Is there a fear about this?

There is nothing who could let go of something. There is only seeing. No control.

Yes there is fear about seeing. Comparable to when I was a kid and I started to have thoughts about the possibility of Santa clause not being real but ignoring/suppressing them due to the fear involved with seeing it for what it is.

Are you 100% sure that you are talking about actual real FEELINGS / SENSATIONS, and not just about thoughts with the content ‘feels like’?

Are there ACTUAL feelings behind the words ‘feels like’ or ‘seems like’, or these are just empty words, without any actual felt sensations?

Empty words. It was just mind stuff.

What if the reason it gets ambiguous is because the more you look, the more you see that there is NO self, NO Jared in reality?

Yes this is it. I know this is it, but I don’t yet see clearly enough to KNOW this is it.

Doesn’t the seeming control happen in a form of a thought?
Is there any other control than THOUGHTS ABOUT control?

Nope, no control. All thought.

What do you mean by this sentence? What is this non-dual reality you are talking about?

I was just referring to reality and not the illusion of reality, the illusion of separation. Things seen exactly as they are as opposed to how I’ve thought they are.

Please tell me about the EXPERIENCE of non-dual reality?

Is this something that can be experienced, or is this is a phrase you learned through reading and videos?

It is a phrase that I’ve learned through reading and videos, but I do feel that it is experienced. Experiencing reality as it is versus seeing only the illusion.

[Vivien]

Hi Jared,

Yes there is fear about seeing. Comparable to when I was a kid and I started to have thoughts about the possibility of Santa clause not being real but ignoring/suppressing them due to the fear involved with seeing it for what it is.

So what would happen if it were clearly seen that the self is nothing else than a concept, and not a reality?

What would change in your daily life if the self were seen to be an illusion? How would if affect your life?

It is a phrase that I’ve learned through reading and videos, but I do feel that it is experienced. Experiencing reality as it is versus seeing only the illusion.

And what is the difference between the two? What is the difference between experiencing reality as it is, vs seeing only the illusion?

– please answer to this from your own experience, and not just conceptually

When I look for it, attention goes to a feeling in the chest. It’s like an anxious ball of energy, but when I look at it it seems to dissolve after a little while. I can’t really describe it further than that as far as feeling goes. Any further explanation would just be thought about it trying to analyze and speculate.

OK, so there is a feeling / sensation in the chest.

But HOW do you know that this sensation in the chest is the ‘feeling of self’ and not something else?
Why calling it as a ‘feeling of self’, and not as a muscle contraction or an unpleasant sensation?

What makes this contracted sensation into a ‘feeling of self’?
Do you actually FEEL a self in the chest?

Is there anything FELT there other than sensations?

I just realized it’s just thought about thoughts and emotions relating to the label Jared. It’s all just thoughts.

Yes, exactly. So watch out for this. This comes up hundreds of times a day.

Familiarity is just a label for the cycle of thoughts/emotions which seem to have been on a repeating loop for a long time.

So is it clear that ‘familiarity’ cannot be experienced? It’s not a real thing, it’s just a thought concept?

Vivien

[Tomahawk297]

So what would happen if it were clearly seen that the self is nothing else than a concept, and not a reality?

What would change in your daily life if the self were seen to be an illusion? How would if affect your life?

Daily life would be more of a flow, the “I” would be known to be empty. Many of the repeating conditioned thought/emotional patterns would have less “sticking” power and would start to come apart. With self realized as illusory, that which has been labeled as a trait of self can begin to fall away.

And what is the difference between the two? What is the difference between experiencing reality as it is, vs seeing only the illusion?

In my experiences of what seeing through the veil a handful of times, the experience of reality is simply a stronger sense of the interconnected wholeness of life. Everything is more of a flow. It’s a slight shift in perception which changes how reality is experienced in the way that identification is more with the wholeness of life rather than a small self separate from life.

The illusion is experienced as though one is isolated, alone and afraid. Fighting for survival. Struggling for social status and acceptance. Stuck in a bubble of labels.

But HOW do you know that this sensation in the chest is the ‘feeling of self’ and not something else?
Why calling it as a ‘feeling of self’, and not as a muscle contraction or an unpleasant sensation?

What makes this contracted sensation into a ‘feeling of self’?
Do you actually FEEL a self in the chest?

Is there anything FELT there other than sensations?

No, there is only feelings and sensations plus the label of self in the form of thought.

So is it clear that ‘familiarity’ cannot be experienced? It’s not a real thing, it’s just a thought concept?

Yes, this has been realized.

[Vivien]

Hi Jared,

Daily life would be more of a flow, the “I” would be known to be empty. Many of the repeating conditioned thought/emotional patterns would have less “sticking” power and would start to come apart. With self realized as illusory, that which has been labeled as a trait of self can begin to fall away.

So this is what you are afraid of? If not this, then what is it that you are afraid of when looking?
What is the negative story about this investigation? - there has to be one if fear comes up

In my experiences of what seeing through the veil a handful of times, the experience of reality is simply a stronger sense of the interconnected wholeness of life. Everything is more of a flow. It’s a slight shift in perception which changes how reality is experienced in the way that identification is more with the wholeness of life rather than a small self separate from life.

OK, there is a belief here.
You say that there is an identification with the wholeness of life, rather than with the self.

So what is this that needs an identity?
What is doing the identifying?
What does identity stick to? What is it that it hooks onto?
What is the glue of identity made of?

Be very careful that you don’t just say to yourself that the self is just an illusion. It’s not enough to understand this intellectually. This needs to be deeply recognized in experience. So it means that you have to look at the same thing again and again and again, hundreds if not thousands of times to really sink in.

The illusion is experienced as though one is isolated, alone and afraid. Fighting for survival. Struggling for social status and acceptance. Stuck in a bubble of labels.

Search for the one that is isolated, alone and afraid. Be careful not to quickly jump to the intellectual conclusion that there is no one being isolated, alone and afraid.

If it SEEMS that way, then you have to look for the one having those experienced.

So where is the one that is isolated, alone and afraid? Where exactly? Somewhere inside the body? Where in the body?

V: But HOW do you know that this sensation in the chest is the ‘feeling of self’ and not something else?
Why calling it as a ‘feeling of self’, and not as a muscle contraction or an unpleasant sensation?

What makes this contracted sensation into a ‘feeling of self’?
Do you actually FEEL a self in the chest?

Is there anything FELT there other than sensations?

J: No, there is only feelings and sensations plus the label of self in the form of thought.

Please try not to bulk-reply. Always reply to each question one-by-one. Why? Because each question is a pointer for you where to look. And if you bulk-reply, it’s easy to miss some important pointers.

Are you 100% sure that you can CLEARLY SEE EXPERIENTIALLY that there is only feelings sensations, and a thought label of ‘self’? Or rather this is just an intellectual understanding?

Please go back to these pointers and look with them very carefully. Also, please reply to them one-by-one.

But HOW do you know that this sensation in the chest is the ‘feeling of self’ and not something else?
Why calling it as a ‘feeling of self’, and not as a muscle contraction or an unpleasant sensation?
What makes this contracted sensation into a ‘feeling of self’?
Do you actually FEEL a self in the chest?
Is there anything FELT there other than sensations?

Vivien

[Tomahawk297]

So this is what you are afraid of?

No, that’s the positive story.

If not this, then what is it that you are afraid of when looking?What is the negative story about this investigation? - there has to be one if fear comes up

Okay so today I’ve been looking and the fear that is coming up is telling a different story than I feel was told previously. Previously it felt like more of a fear of losing myself, a pretty simply seen protection against losing what was never there anyways.

But today it’s telling the story that I’m afraid I’ll never get it. I’m afraid I’ll keep looking and looking and never get to the deep understanding that is sought.

So what is this that needs an identity?

The self needs an identity.

What is doing the identifying?[/quote

The content of thought is what is “doing” the identifying.

What does identity stick to? What is it that it hooks onto?
What is the glue of identity made of?

I keep looking for this, and it keeps coming back to “belief in self”. The belief in self is the glue which identity is made of. Without the belief in self, thoughts about self would lose their stickiness as there’s nothing to stick to.

So where is the one that is isolated, alone and afraid? Where exactly?

When looking for this it came straight back to the anxiety in my chest, which I’ve already recognized as being just a feeling which has been labeled by thought. But this is where it came back to. An anxious feeling in the chest.

Are you 100% sure that you can CLEARLY SEE EXPERIENTIALLY that there is only feelings sensations, and a thought label of ‘self’?

No. I have seen through the cracks and there is evidence of this being true, but It’s like looking through tiny cracks and trying to identify what’s on the other side of the wall. I’m pretty sure I saw a unicorn and so intellectually it’s been assumed that it is indeed a unicorn before it’s fully been seen as factual.

Or rather this is just an intellectual understanding?

Intellectual, somewhat experientially but not to the point that it’s factual yet.

But HOW do you know that this sensation in the chest is the ‘feeling of self’ and not something else?

I do not know. It looks as if that chest anxiety has been labeled as “self” for a while and has become the default intellectual answer when looking. During self inquiry over the past few months I can remember a few times when inquiring and attention going to the feeling in the chest and it being labeled as “me”.

Why calling it as a ‘feeling of self’, and not as a muscle contraction or an unpleasant sensation?

I see it now for what it is. It’s just a label from previous self inquiries.

What makes this contracted sensation into a ‘feeling of self’?

Thought does. It’s labeled as a feeling of self.

Do you actually FEEL a self in the chest?

No.

Is there anything FELT there other than sensations?

Just sensations which are labeled.


It seems I’m starting to see a little more clearly. This morning I was watching some birds while taking a break from my bike ride. As I watched the birds I looked for that which needs an identity. I saw that the only thing which needs an identity is self, and the self is illusory.

I watched the birds as they were bird-ing, without the need for a self. They seemed to be doing quite alright just being.. without anything added onto what they are. No need for labels or concepts. They just are. Although they still need to catch their food, fend against predators, survive in cold weather, etc... these challenges are still present. But they navigate them all quite well without a self to manage things. And the birds don’t even look at those things as challenges, there’s no labeling and separation between the “challenging” or “non challenging” times. Everything just is, and they’re in flow with it. How come humans developed this illusion? What’s the purpose of this illusion? I couldn’t find one. I suppose it needn’t have a purpose, it just is.

I started to notice more of what life is before all the labeling and mind stuff happens. There is life unfolding, and then there is thoughts about it. Real is what happens here and now. It seems like reality has been viewed through the lens of labels AFTER life has already taken place. For example, in this moment there would be attention on the labeling and filing away of what happened a few moments ago. Or, thoughts of what could possibly happen in a future moment. But never really seeing the real raw version of reality as it is here.

The self “exists” AFTER reality, so the perspective of the self is not aligned with reality. It can’t experience reality because it’s just an idea which is there after reality has already happened. So looking through the perspective of the self is to look at reality through a narrowed view, shrunken down to fit into a box which fits with all of the “self’s” beliefs and conditioning.

I’m open to being completely off basis here, but I feel that I’m starting to see a bit better. I feel that I’m starting to get a better grip on the whole of it so that looking correctly is becoming easier. Before it seemed a real struggle to look deep enough, but now I feel I have a bit better of an understanding which is helping me know how to look better than before.

[Vivien]

Hi Jared,

Previously it felt like more of a fear of losing myself, a pretty simply seen protection against losing what was never there anyways.

Which has never existed, cannot be lost, it can only be seen as an illusion. But even the illusonal Jared cannot be lost. The illusion won’t stop appearing, Jared won’t disappear, he will be just recognized for what it is. Just a fleeting phenomenon, without any ground in reality.

Please let these sink in.

But today it’s telling the story that I’m afraid I’ll never get it. I’m afraid I’ll keep looking and looking and never get to the deep understanding that is sought.

Please, don’t worry about this. If you are persistent with looking, sooner or later the penny will drop. The only way to fail is to give up.

I keep looking for this, and it keeps coming back to “belief in self”. The belief in self is the glue which identity is made of.

But what is a belief in self exactly?
Please don’t go to theorize and speculations, rather investigate it here now.

Here now, how does the belief in self appear exactly? In what way or form?

When looking for this it came straight back to the anxiety in my chest, which I’ve already recognized as being just a feeling which has been labeled by thought. But this is where it came back to. An anxious feeling in the chest.

So is this feeling in the chest is the Jared who is isolated, alone or afraid?
Or this is just an unpleasant sensation in the chest?
Isn’t Jared should be the one who is supposedly FEELING or EXPERIENCING this unpleasant sensation?

Focus on the sensations of the hands. FEEL them. And while you feel them, investigate:

What is it exactly that is feeling the sensation?
Where is the feeler? Where is the location of the feeler?
Is there a feeler at all? Or all there is the sensations of the hands?

t seems I’m starting to see a little more clearly. This morning I was watching some birds while taking a break from my bike ride. As I watched the birds I looked for that which needs an identity. I saw that the only thing which needs an identity is self, and the self is illusory.

I watched the birds as they were bird-ing, without the need for a self. They seemed to be doing quite alright just being.. without anything added onto what they are. No need for labels or concepts. They just are. Although they still need to catch their food, fend against predators, survive in cold weather, etc... these challenges are still present. But they navigate them all quite well without a self to manage things. And the birds don’t even look at those things as challenges, there’s no labeling and separation between the “challenging” or “non challenging” times. Everything just is, and they’re in flow with it. How come humans developed this illusion? What’s the purpose of this illusion? I couldn’t find one. I suppose it needn’t have a purpose, it just is.

I started to notice more of what life is before all the labeling and mind stuff happens. There is life unfolding, and then there is thoughts about it. Real is what happens here and now. It seems like reality has been viewed through the lens of labels AFTER life has already taken place. For example, in this moment there would be attention on the labeling and filing away of what happened a few moments ago. Or, thoughts of what could possibly happen in a future moment. But never really seeing the real raw version of reality as it is here.

The self “exists” AFTER reality, so the perspective of the self is not aligned with reality. It can’t experience reality because it’s just an idea which is there after reality has already happened. So looking through the perspective of the self is to look at reality through a narrowed view, shrunken down to fit into a box which fits with all of the “self’s” beliefs and conditioning.

I’m open to being completely off basis here, but I feel that I’m starting to see a bit better. I feel that I’m starting to get a better grip on the whole of it so that looking correctly is becoming easier. Before it seemed a real struggle to look deep enough, but now I feel I have a bit better of an understanding which is helping me know how to look better than before.

Yes, there are glimpses here :) nice investigation, just keep looking :)

Vivien

[Tomahawk297]

But what is a belief in self exactly?

Okay I see now it is only showing up as thought.

Here now, how does the belief in self appear exactly? In what way or form?

It is appearing in thought only. It was seemingly more concrete than a thought, and I don’t quite understand why it seemed that way. Looks like it’s just a thought that has been repeated more than others. That’s just more conceptualization though so I won’t go there. Belief is just thought.

After realizing belief is only thought, I looked again for the glue which holds identity together. It’s just more thought. I can’t find anything holding identity other than thought. It’s just a concept with a story which is all thought.

So is this feeling in the chest is the Jared who is isolated, alone or afraid?

No, I keep going back to it to verify throughout the day when the sensation appears. No Jared there.

Or this is just an unpleasant sensation in the chest?

Just a sensation. Unpleasant sensation which is happening in this moment, nothing more.

Isn’t Jared should be the one who is supposedly FEELING or EXPERIENCING this unpleasant sensation?

Yes.

What is it exactly that is feeling the sensation?

There’s just the sensation.

Where is the feeler? Where is the location of the feeler?

I can’t find one. There is just the sensation, and there is awareness of the sensation. But also nothing found which is aware of the sensations.

Is there a feeler at all? Or all there is the sensations of the hands?

Only sensations of the hands.

[Vivien]

Hi Jared,

It is appearing in thought only. It was seemingly more concrete than a thought, and I don’t quite understand why it seemed that way. Looks like it’s just a thought that has been repeated more than others. That’s just more conceptualization though so I won’t go there. Belief is just thought.

When a thought is believed, then the content of thoughts seemingly becomes a real thing. As if it were a real, solid entity. While it’s just a fictional fleeing phenomenon.

After realizing belief is only thought, I looked again for the glue which holds identity together. It’s just more thought. I can’t find anything holding identity other than thought. It’s just a concept with a story which is all thought.

Nice investigation :)

Just a sensation. Unpleasant sensation which is happening in this moment, nothing more.

Exactly!

But also nothing found which is aware of the sensations.

Very nice observation! There isn’t even something that is knowing or being aware of the sensation. Since there are no two things there: sensation + awareness of it.

Is it clear that the word sensation + awareness of it are just different ways of describing the same thing; sensation happening?

Here is another exercise for investigating thoughts.

Sit down, close your eyes, and think of a car.

How does the visual thought of a car arrive? Is there a you doing it?
Is there any doing for an image of a car to appear?
What does make that happen?

Is there a storage place somewhere hidden where all the visual thoughts of cars are stored, and the self goes there and chooses and picks which one it wants to think of?

If not, how does that particular car appear from all the possible cars that could have appeared?
What is being done EXACTLY for that happen? Is there any doing at all? Or it’s just happening on its own?

Is there an I which chooses of the color?
What is being done exactly to the car to be a certain color?
Is the appearing color a doing or a happening?

And what about its size and brand? Is the size and the brand was done or made to appear by a me? Or it’s just appeared without anything or anyone making it to happen?

Is there a mind, or an I, or a self creating the image of a car?

Vivien

[Tomahawk297]

Is it clear that the word sensation + awareness of it are just different ways of describing the same thing; sensation happening?

Yes, it is just thought which labels and makes it seem more complex and separate. While I’m looking it is clear but when I am not looking there is a default tendency to see things from the illusory perspective.

How does the visual thought of a car arrive?

It just appears. Any attempt at explaining it further results in thought stuff which isn’t actually pointing to anything real.

Is there a you doing it?

No sign of me.

Is there any doing for an image of a car to appear?

No. There isn’t even thinking. There is thought, but “thinking” doesn’t look to be real. It’s just thought appearing and more thought about “thinking”. But thinking is just a thought, a concept. It doesn’t actually point to anything. There is no thinking, but there is thought.

What does make that happen?

Nothing makes it happen. Nothing makes anything happen.

Is there a storage place somewhere hidden where all the visual thoughts of cars are stored, and the self goes there and chooses and picks which one it wants to think of?

Haha no definitely not, but a thought may say that it does.

If not, how does that particular car appear from all the possible cars that could have appeared?

How does the yellow butterfly with black spots land on the window sill in the morning out of all the possible butterflies which could have possibly appeared?

It just does.

What is being done EXACTLY for that happen?

Nothing

Is there any doing at all?

Absolutely not

Or it’s just happening on its own?

Precisely

Is there an I which chooses of the color?

No. No I. No choosing.

What is being done exactly to the car to be a certain color?

It’s being painted :) haha no, it just is. The car which appeared was red, but there’s no rhyme or reason for it.

Is the appearing color a doing or a happening?

Happening.

And what about its size and brand? Is the size and the brand was done or made to appear by a me?

Nope, it just is. That particular car didn’t have a brand attached but now that you mentioned brand a thought showed up with a Toyota emblem added onto the car.

Or it’s just appeared without anything or anyone making it to happen?

It just appeared.

Is there a mind, or an I, or a self creating the image of a car?

No. There is nothing creating the image of the car. Mind, I, self, all are just thought.



This investigation was done very quickly. The answers showed up pretty instantaneously and the urge to look deeper wasn’t there. It seemed redundant to keep looking after the answers came up so matter of factually.

I know you said to spend a whole day with each set of investigations, but I’m going to go ahead and post this now and get some feedback from you on whether to keep looking anyway or whether to post it.

With most posts prior to this there was a lot of uncertainty and the urge to keep looking to make sure I was seeing as clearly as possible. But this time, that uncertainty isn’t present in relation to the questions asked. More of an urge to move onto more questions which may bring up uncertainty so that they can be investigated.

Should I post when there is certainty relating to the questions or should I still look at them for a whole day regardless?

Also, thank you. Your guidance is so incredible!

[Vivien]

Hi Jared,

You did a nice investigation, and I’m glad that you find looking to be much easier. But nevertheless, I would like to ask you to look for a whole day with each set of pointer, even when the answer seems to be pretty clear. Why? Because it’s about a constant and repeated looking at the same thing again and again and again, that bring about the realization.

One or just a few looking won’t cut it. It’s need to be seen hundreds if not thousands of times.

So I would like to ask you to re-do the exercise, and then look with other things as well (any imagination will do). Investigate this several times, to really sink in.

Vivien

[Tomahawk297]

Okay I will make sure to look at each set for a day regardless.

I looked at these throughout the day and didn’t see anything that prompted changing the above responses.

The car has changed to a blue Toyota sedan, but again it appeared without any noticed reason or process.

No self found which is creating the image of the car.


Feelings which come up during the day are being noticed most of the time as fleeting clouds with nothing to cling onto.

Thoughts which come up that contain content suggesting control over something are being noticed more clearly and they lose steam very quickly instead of seeming real.

Conceptualization is being noticed more often when thought arises containing supposed explanations for things.

[Vivien]

Hi Jared,

Feelings which come up during the day are being noticed most of the time as fleeting clouds with nothing to cling onto.

Thoughts which come up that contain content suggesting control over something are being noticed more clearly and they lose steam very quickly instead of seeming real.

Conceptualization is being noticed more often when thought arises containing supposed explanations for things.

Great! :)

Please experiment with these.

Can you choose the very content of the next thought? Can you choose willingly the next thought that will arise?

Can you choose to fall asleep?
Can you find the moment / point / spot or realm where you choose to fall asleep?

Can you choose the very quality (tightness, openness, vibration, hardness, contraction, etc) of the physical sensation that will arise next?

Can you choose the next emotion, mood, attitude that will arise?
Sit and look at what is happening. Can you find any choice - point where you willingly chose any emotion that appeared in response to a stimulus?

Vivien