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Re: I don't know

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:21 am
by Matthew
a thought appear " it's windy ", but in direct experince it's only sensation, seeing movement and sound.
For example, yes!


As it became clear, there is no "I" in seeing.
There is also no "I" in hearing.
Why would a letter "I" be needed for seeing and hearing to happen in the first place?
That assumption is ridiculous, isn't it!?

Is there an "I" still assumed somewhere else?

Re: I don't know

Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:53 am
by Iana
Is there an "I" still assumed somewhere else?
No , but i think i replaced "I" with this body. The body is seeing, hearing, feeling

Re: I don't know

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:03 am
by Matthew
You mean you feel like being inside a body separated from its surroundings?
Is that what you're saying?

Re: I don't know

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:38 am
by Iana
Yes

Re: I don't know

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:44 am
by Matthew
Okay let us appoach that!


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What do you SEE here?
Only report about the raw seen without thought addition.

Re: I don't know

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:41 pm
by Iana
I don't know what i see, ignoring the thoughts i can't say what i see

Re: I don't know

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:49 am
by Matthew
That's true.
Any "object" is just thought superimposing separateness upon raw, seamless experience.

Still, we need to work and communicate at this point.
When brought down to the most simple level, what can be seen is "The Seen".
What can be seen is "colour".
Are you comfortable with this term?

Re: I don't know

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:00 am
by Iana
What can be seen is "colour".
Are you comfortable with this term?
Yes

Re: I don't know

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:17 am
by Matthew
Now look at colour labelled "my arm".
Can you, same as with the apple, see it as being only colour at the most basic level?
It might take some time just gazing at it.

Re: I don't know

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:25 am
by Iana
Now look at colour labelled "my arm".
Can you, same as with the apple, see it as being only colour at the most basic level?
Ok, yes

Re: I don't know

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:01 am
by Matthew
Now hold your arm against the background.

How do you know that you are this colour and not that colour?
And is that true?

What tells that you are this colour and not that colour?
And is that true?

Does not all colour appear in the very same space?

Do you SEE any boundary amongst colour at all?

Re: I don't know

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:29 am
by Iana
How do you know that you are this colour and not that colour?
And is that true?
No, i can't say that I'm this colour and not that colour
What tells that you are this colour and not that colour?
And is that true?
Nothing can tell me that I'm this colour and not that colour
Does not all colour appear in the very same space?
Yes, all the colour appear in the same space
Do you SEE any boundary amongst colour at all?
No boudry

Re: I don't know

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:32 am
by Matthew
Where do you begin?
Where do you end?
Do you even begin and end somewhere in the classical sense?

Where is your body?
Do you even have a body in the classical sense?

Re: I don't know

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:39 am
by Iana
Classical sense is direct experience?

Re: I don't know

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:41 am
by Matthew
What it means:

Usually, in every day normal life. When someone asks: "Where is your body?" Then you point to colour labelled "my body".
But when looking at things as they are. When looking at actual present experience.

Where do you begin?
Where do you end?

Where is your body?