Guess it's time

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So I've been busy labeling experience in the categories you described. For example when I was waiting, I experienced touch (of the chair), colors (of the waiting room), sounds and thoughts. When I walked outside I experienced touch (in the feet), sensation (of wind), sounds, seeing colors and thoughts. And right now, on my laptop. I experience colors, touch on the leg and fingers, and seeing of colors. Also thoughts that label the colors into text.

In bed, the touch of the sheets and the colors when my eyes are closed. Sounds (of the wind outside). A lot of sensations all the time.

It doesn't always feel easy or natural (for example in the mirror), but with some concentration I can clearly see how it is.

Labeling and direct experiences chapter looks clearly understood.

I think so. Looking forward to the next assignment. :)

Ok. Good looking.
Do you have any questions about the body - labelling - direct experience or about anything we have LOOKED at so far?

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Ok, so let's take a look at thoughts now,
Where are these thoughts actually coming from really how do they work..

Wait for the next thought and look, where is it coming from and where is it going?
Tell me, do you know what the next thought will be before it arrives?
Can you stop a thought form coming?
Is I thought a special thought? Is it coming from the same place like all other thoughts, or.. ?
Is there a thinker?
Are you thinking thoughts or thoughts pop in by themselves?
Take a good look and write what you find out.
Where are thoughts coming from, to where are they going?

Is it possible to think more than a thought at a time?

Is it possible to know which thought will pop up next, before the thought pops up?

Do you have control over thoughts?

What do you see thinking thoughts?


Take a good look and tell me what comes please.

Sending love..

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Do you have any questions about the body - labelling - direct experience or about anything we have LOOKED at so far?

Well, every time a question comes up, I kind of see the answer is always directing back to direct experience. The only thing I struggle with, is the whole concept of the body not really being there. Because it seems the sensations I experience stop at the same place where I observe the body to end. I don’t experience touch trough a coffee table, unless I move my hand to touch it.

So from that I can conclude that the body is there, and that there seems to be a distinction between the body and other objects.

So I see how the head is just a story. And how the finger is only there when I think it is there. But I don’t see why - if the body is just a story - sensations seem to end exactly where the body-story seems to end.

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Thank you. Let’s see.

Tell me, do you know what the next thought will be before it arrives?

No. It’s quite surprising how random the contents of the thoughts seem to be. It flies all over the place. It’s funny because I’m sitting here ‘waiting’ for a thought to come, and before I know it I’m already in some rabbit hole. There is no idea what thought is coming next, it’s a surprise every time.

Can you stop a thought form coming?

No. The thoughts come on their own. Can’t stop them.

Is I thought a special thought? Is it coming from the same place like all other thoughts, or.. ?

The ‘I’ thought is the same as the other thoughts.

Is there a thinker?

Well, thinking is taking place. And there seems to be some way of steering the thinking. It seems there is a choice. So when I just sit here, thoughts come and I don’t know what will come up next. But I do seem to be able to think about something specific, and then related thoughts come up.

I’m not sure what is deciding to start thinking about something specific.

Are you thinking thoughts or thoughts pop in by themselves?

So if you frame it like this, I can say thoughts pop up by themselves. The thoughts just appear, there is no saying what will happen next. But I can decide now to think about an elephant, and then thoughts will come up.

Where are thoughts coming from, to where are they going?

From nowhere, going to nowhere I’d say. It’s like floating clouds - they look real but are nothing but vapour.

Is it possible to think more than a thought at a time?

No. The thoughts come one by one. Sometimes it gets very crowded and the thoughts flash by very quickly. But they seem to be processed one by one.

What do you see thinking thoughts?

I see thoughts are very attractive sensations. Like a part of me wants to engage with them endlessly because they seem important and true. But they are just clouds passing by. No importance whatsoever.

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So I see how the head is just a story. And how the finger is only there when I think it is there. But I don’t see why - if the body is just a story - sensations seem to end exactly where the body-story seems to end.

Without thought...how would you know that it is a body and that is where the body ends?

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But I do seem to be able to think about something specific, and then related thoughts come up.

I’m not sure what is deciding to start thinking about something specific.

- But I can decide now to think about an elephant, and then thoughts will come up.

Yes "seems" is the keyword here. Lets say that you chose an "elephant" as a specific thought..

Do you have any idea how that choice is made ? Why not a "duck" but an "elephant" ?
Is there anyone there choosing out of billion possibilities, OR thoughts/choices simply pop up without any control ?
Do you really have a choice of not choosing "elephant" ? Look!

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Do you really have a choice of not choosing "elephant" ? Look!

I see! The thought 'elephant' was just there, it popped up from nowhere. Also the thoughts saying that I can choose for myself - those thoughts also just appear. It happens without a thinker, it just happens.

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So I see how the head is just a story. And how the finger is only there when I think it is there. But I don’t see why - if the body is just a story - sensations seem to end exactly where the body-story seems to end.

Without thought...how would you know that it is a body and that is where the body ends?

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Do you really have a choice of not choosing "elephant" ? Look!

I see! The thought 'elephant' was just there, it popped up from nowhere. Also the thoughts saying that I can choose for myself - those thoughts also just appear. It happens without a thinker, it just happens.

Well done! Good looking!

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Without thought...how would you know that it is a body and that is where the body ends?

Ah! I think that the colors I see are a table, so that's a thought. The idea of 'here' and 'there' is based on the interpretation of the colors, which brings the idea of depth. This is done with thoughts. This 'depth' I cannot directly perceive. The senses work together to create this sense of space, but it's not directly perceivable in and of itself. The 'map' that is created in my mind is a thought. Like the thought that the head must be there, because there is a mental map of the body in the mind.

So basically the awareness doesn't necessarily move, since there is no reason to accept there is something to be able to move in? It's just there, sensing?

Weird. :D

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now lets take a look at the idea of free will,
Look back into the story of your life and find one important decision that you made.
Can be anything, meeting with someone, decision of moving, starting a new job..etc..

Then ask this;
Could you have made a different decision at given circumstances?
Was that the best and only way to proceed?
Was there any free will involved, as in could you choose independently of situation? Was it you that made a choice or situation made you take the only way possible?
Can you choose something that is not "right"?

Write what you notice doing this exercise. Then bring focus to hear now.
Can anything be different than what it already is? How do you know that?
What is that made the choose to be here now? Does it make a difference if you think that you made the choise to be here or not?

[adilerten]

So basically the awareness doesn't necessarily move, since there is no reason to accept there is something to be able to move in? It's just there, sensing?

Can you please explain more your words here please ?

[noworries]

So basically the awareness doesn't necessarily move, since there is no reason to accept there is something to be able to move in? It's just there, sensing?

Can you please explain more your words here please ?

I figured: if I can only know what is true trough direct experience (like you described), and 'depth' and space are just a sensation of color, and moving trough space is just a combined sensation of touch and other sensations - then I think I do not have any direct experience of space existing.

And if that is so - which seems to be the case - that means that nothing ever 'moves' trough space but just is. That this awareness is just sitting there. Like it sits there with a VR headset on, enjoying this show called 'my life'. Enjoying the illusion of this universe, while never actually doing anything itself.

But most of this is just reasoning based on some of the seeing we've been doing. But it feels different form pure reasoning. Feels mostly weird. Wonderfully weird.

Write what you notice doing this exercise. Then bring focus to hear now.

I will work on this and report back. Or - not - I might not have a choice in the matter. We'll see, haha. 😉

💛

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I figured: if I can only know what is true trough direct experience (like you described), and 'depth' and space are just a sensation of color, and moving trough space is just a combined sensation of touch and other sensations - then I think I do not have any direct experience of space existing.

And if that is so - which seems to be the case - that means that nothing ever 'moves' trough space but just is. That this awareness is just sitting there. Like it sits there with a VR headset on, enjoying this show called 'my life'. Enjoying the illusion of this universe, while never actually doing anything itself.

But most of this is just reasoning based on some of the seeing we've been doing. But it feels different form pure reasoning. Feels mostly weird. Wonderfully weird.

Thanks for clearing.
Yes, depth - distance - separation and space are illusion.
Its gorgeous weirdness, super joke ha ? :)

[adilerten]

So basically the awareness doesn't necessarily move, since there is no reason to accept there is something to be able to move in? It's just there, sensing?

Can you please explain more your words here please ?

I figured: if I can only know what is true trough direct experience (like you described), and 'depth' and space are just a sensation of color, and moving trough space is just a combined sensation of touch and other sensations - then I think I do not have any direct experience of space existing.

And if that is so - which seems to be the case - that means that nothing ever 'moves' trough space but just is. That this awareness is just sitting there. Like it sits there with a VR headset on, enjoying this show called 'my life'. Enjoying the illusion of this universe, while never actually doing anything itself.

But most of this is just reasoning based on some of the seeing we've been doing. But it feels different form pure reasoning. Feels mostly weird. Wonderfully weird.

Write what you notice doing this exercise. Then bring focus to here now.

I will work on this and report back. Or - not - I might not have a choice in the matter. We'll see, haha. 😉

💛

Sure. What happens just happens. Without any "reason" and "cause" .
Looking forward to see what you find out..
Sending love.