On a spiritual journey.

[LightOne]

:) Im not too sure? Maybe its "me" thats getting in the way?

If at least you intellectually understand that there is no "me," how
can it get in the way? Could you observe how it gets in the way?
And no guessing or "maybe," please. :)

;p Im thinking it can get in the way because its pretending to be separate when there is no separation?

[LightOne]

Its like "I" want to see but there is no "I" Is it a case of moving out of the way of "yourself" as you are already seeing as you cant not be? but the seeing is clouded by the illusion of self?

[Bananafish]

Im thinking it can get in the way because its pretending to be separate when there is no separation?

No. It's not about thinking. Please observe how seeing is clouded right now.
What is it that's pretending to be separate?

Is seeing clouded at all? How can you say that it's clouded, without relying on shouts or imagination?

[LightOne]

Im thinking it can get in the way because its pretending to be separate when there is no separation?

No. It's not about thinking. Please observe how seeing is clouded right now.
What is it that's pretending to be separate?

Is seeing clouded at all? How can you say that it's clouded, without relying on shouts or imagination?

Im not sure what the seeing is? so its hard to observe whats getting in the way :(

The imagination is covering it up?

[Bananafish]

Im not sure what the seeing is? so its hard to observe whats getting in the way :(

The imagination is covering it up?

If you aren't even sure what seeing is, how can you say that
you are not seeing?

[LightOne]

Im not sure what the seeing is? so its hard to observe whats getting in the way :(

The imagination is covering it up?

If you aren't even sure what seeing is, how can you say that
you are not seeing?

Im not sure. Confused :/

[Bananafish]

Ok, now you're at the starting point where you don't know anything
about what seeing is; ideas dropped, good to start as tabula rasa.


Now, could you tell me where the "I" is?
Can you point at it with your finger?

[LightOne]

Ok, now you're at the starting point where you don't know anything
about what seeing is; ideas dropped, good to start as tabula rasa.

:) Yes I think I did need to drop the ideas.


Now, could you tell me where the "I" is?
Can you point at it with your finger?

I really couldn't say where the "I" is
If I was to point anywhere it would be the centre of my chest, It feels like my being is there, where my words come from out of nothing.

[Bananafish]

If I was to point anywhere it would be the centre of my chest, It feels like my being is there, where my words come from out of nothing.

Break through the hidden ideas behind what you call "feeling."
Is it really what is felt, or is it an idea or imagination?

Please utter a word and see if words come from the centre of your chest.

[LightOne]

If I was to point anywhere it would be the centre of my chest, It feels like my being is there, where my words come from out of nothing.

Break through the hidden ideas behind what you call "feeling."
Is it really what is felt, or is it an idea or imagination?

Its just a thought about what I believe to be true, its an idea.

Please utter a word and see if words come from the centre of your chest.

It feels like it is?

[Bananafish]

Could you observe how words come from your chest and describe its
process?

[LightOne]

Could you observe how words come from your chest and describe its
process?

Its like them come from nothingness and then im witnessing what is said.

[Bananafish]

Its like them come from nothingness and then im witnessing what is said.

Is "nothingness" the same as the chest?


Please tell what "nothingness" is without resorting to imagination.

What is nothingness, here and now?
Where is nothingness in the place you are now?

[LightOne]

Its like them come from nothingness and then im witnessing what is said.

Is "nothingness" the same as the chest?

No I dont think so.

Please tell what "nothingness" is without resorting to imagination.

An empty space?

What is nothingness, here and now?
Where is nothingness in the place you are now?

Yes I would say nothingness is the here and now from which everything comes out of?
Im not sure where it is, as in my mind is trying to pin point a location.

[Bananafish]

Do you mean that words come from the empty space in your room?
Do you experience that?


Also, do words come from the chest?