Seeing freedom

[SeeingFreely]

Hey Kay


It is such a pleasure for me too, to read and work with what you write everyday. Thank you! (-:

Exactly! Is there a choice to what sounds, thoughts, smells, tastes or sensations appear or when they appear?

No.

Lovely. So now, I want you to close your eyes and then slowly turn your head to the left and to the right. Do that several times. IGNORE all thoughts and images about a head turning left and right and what is the actual experience

?
The actual experience without thought is of colour moving and sensation.

And is there a chooser who is choosing to look away or move somewhere else or does it just simply happen?

There is thought about a chooser choosing. The thought cannot choose.

If there is no thinker of thought or chooser of thoughts, then is there a 'you' that is responsible for anything?

There is no thinker of thought or chooser choosing and 'me' is also the content of thought and so cannot be responsible for anything. There is some mild resistance to this however! Thought worrying that there must be some way to influence what happens for the good/better...


With love

Anna

[forgetmenot]

Hi Anna,

Lovely. So now, I want you to close your eyes and then slowly turn your head to the left and to the right. Do that several times. IGNORE all thoughts and images about a head turning left and right and what is the actual experience

The actual experience without thought is of colour moving and sensation.

Yes, the AE is sensation. Let’s have a look at the idea of the head ‘moving’.

Press a finger down onto the top of the ‘head’.
Notice what is actually present.
Is it a head, or is it just a sensation labelled ‘pressure’ and a story ABOUT a head?

Do the same with a finger on each side of the head.
Is a head actually found, or are there just sensations again?
And is there anything between the pressure points, or is it just a thought that says there must be something between them?

If there is no thinker of thought or chooser of thoughts, then is there a 'you' that is responsible for anything?

There is no thinker of thought or chooser choosing and 'me' is also the content of thought and so cannot be responsible for anything. There is some mild resistance to this however! Thought worrying that there must be some way to influence what happens for the good/better...

Are you the author and owner of thought? Can you control what thoughts appear and when? What labels life and what happens in life as ‘good’ or ‘bad’?

What exactly is it that is ‘resisting mildly’?

Thoughts about worry are appearing but thoughts cannot worry. “Worry’ is a label that points to certain types of thoughts.

The label ‘resistance’ is the AE of thought and not the AE of resistance
The sensation labelled ‘resistance’ is the AE of sensation and not the AE or resistance
The image labelled ‘me/I/body’ is the AE of colour and not the AE of a person resisting.
The thoughts about ‘resistance’ are AE of thought and not the AE of resistance.

So what is actually appearing is label + sensation + colour + thoughts ABOUT resistance.
Can you see this?


Love, Kay

[SeeingFreely]

Hi Kay

Press a finger down onto the top of the ‘head’.
Notice what is actually present.
Is it a head, or is it just a sensation labelled ‘pressure’ and a story ABOUT a head?

There is sensation labelled pressure and a story about a head.

Do the same with a finger on each side of the head.
Is a head actually found, or are there just sensations again?
And is there anything between the pressure points, or is it just a thought that says there must be something between them?

The only thing between the sensation of the two pressure points is more sensation that is labelled as less intense. And then there is thought that says there is a head between the two fingers.

Are you the author and owner of thought? Can you control what thoughts appear and when? What labels life and what happens in life as ‘good’ or ‘bad’?

I am not the author of thought and cannot control what thoughts appear or when. 'Good' and 'bad' are the content of thought.

What exactly is it that is ‘resisting mildly’?

It is the content of thought and cannot be found in actual experience.

So what is actually appearing is label + sensation + colour + thoughts ABOUT resistance.
Can you see this?

Yes, I can see.


With love

Anna

[forgetmenot]

Hey Anna,

Are you the author and owner of thought? Can you control what thoughts appear and when? What labels life and what happens in life as ‘good’ or ‘bad’?

I am not the author of thought and cannot control what thoughts appear or when. 'Good' and 'bad' are the content of thought.

Yes..so let's have a look and see if labels actually have a one-to-one correspondence with reality.

When you look at the word label ‘GREEN’, what is the actual experience?
Is the colour red experienced, or is the colour green experienced as the label suggests?
Do the labels have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’?
Or do the labels suggest something else other than what is here and now (red colour)?
Is green-ness inherent attributes of the experience of the colour red, or is green just a word label on the experience of the colour red?

If the label ‘GREEN’ is replaced with the label ‘GOOD’ or ‘BAD’, is the redness affected in any way as the labels suggests?
Does redness become ‘good’ or ‘bad’, or do the labels have no effect whatsoever on ‘reality’?

With love, Kay

[SeeingFreely]

Hi Kay

When you look at the word label ‘GREEN’, what is the actual experience?

Colour labelled red is experienced and there are thoughts about the idea of 'green'. It was only the second time I read this question did I have or become aware of the thought 'the text is red'.

Is the colour red experienced, or is the colour green experienced as the label suggests?

The colour red is experienced and the colour green is the content of thought.

Do the labels have a one-to-one correspondence with ‘reality’?

No.

Or do the labels suggest something else other than what is here and now (red colour)?

The labels do seem to suggest something other the current experience. When I read GREEN there came thoughts about thoughts I associate with the idea of green.

Is green-ness inherent attributes of the experience of the colour red, or is green just a word label on the experience of the colour red?

Green is a word label on the experience of the colour red.

If the label ‘GREEN’ is replaced with the label ‘GOOD’ or ‘BAD’, is the redness affected in any way as the labels suggests?

No.

Does redness become ‘good’ or ‘bad’, or do the labels have no effect whatsoever on ‘reality’?

No, redness does not become 'good or 'bad'.


With love

Anna

[forgetmenot]

Hey Anna,

As usual….lovely looking.

So, from the GREEN label exercise it can be seen how thoughts layer stories over experience itself; and how labels/thoughts don’t correspond to what actually IS most of the time.

Okay, so let’s have a look at the body.

Sit with eyes closed for about 15 minutes.
Paying attention only to the pure sensations, without relying on thoughts or mental images:

Can it be known how tall the body is?
Does the body have a weight or volume?
In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?

Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing?
Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?

Is there an inside or an outside? If there is an inside - inside of what exactly?
If there is an outside, the outside of what exactly?

What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?
What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?

Look very carefully, especially with the last question. Take your time, don’t rush. You can look several times during the day while doing other things (like washing hands, showering, having a short break from work, walking, etc.) before replying.

With love, Kay

[SeeingFreely]

Hi Kay

Can it be known how tall the body is?

No, it cannot be known in AE.

Does the body have a weight or volume?

No, only sensation is known and labelled body.

In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?

No. Still only sensation and thoughts.

Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing?

No. There is sensation and thoughts labelling it as body, clothing and boundary.

Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?

No. There is sensation and thoughts labelling body, pressure and rock and boundary.

Is there an inside or an outside? If there is an inside - inside of what exactly?
If there is an outside, the outside of what exactly?

There is no inside or outside. There is sensation labelled inside, body and thought images about what an outside - which is everything outside of sensation labelled body.

What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?

The label 'body' refers to the idea of a boundaried form that contains all sensation. Influenced by thought image labelled 'body'.

What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?

i think I have talked too much about thought above, sorry! There is no AE of the body because body is a thought label. There is no AE of inside/outside of a body as that is thought referring to thought. There is just experience.


With love

Anna

[forgetmenot]

Hey Anna,

What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?

The label 'body' refers to the idea of a boundaried form that contains all sensation. Influenced by thought image labelled 'body'.

The word/label ‘body actually refers to the AE of thought. Thought points to sensation and labels it ‘body’.

What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?

i think I have talked too much about thought above, sorry! There is no AE of the body because body is a thought label. There is no AE of inside/outside of a body as that is thought referring to thought. There is just experience.

Yes! :) Thought points to sensation + colour and labels it ‘body.

There is a general assumption that there is linear time that started (if started at all) somewhere very far in the past and advances to the distant future. The present moment (now) is considered to be a very small fragment of time or an event that is moving forward on this linear time, coming from the past and advancing to the future.

But is there an experience that the ’now’ is moving along the line of time?
Any experience of one ‘moment’ giving way to the next?
Any actual experience of one event following another?

How fast is the ‘present moment’ actually moving?

Just look at 'this moment', can you find a point where it began?

How long does the ‘now’ last?

Where does the ‘now’ start, and where does it end?

When does the ‘now’ exactly become the 'past'?

What is the ‘past’ in actual experience?

So is there actual experience of ‘time’ or thoughts about ‘time’?

With love, Kay

[SeeingFreely]

But is there an experience that the ’now’ is moving along the line of time?

Any experience of one ‘moment’ giving way to the next?

Any actual experience of one event following another?

How fast is the ‘present moment’ actually moving?

Just look at 'this moment', can you find a point where it began?

How long does the ‘now’ last?

Where does the ‘now’ start, and where does it end?

When does the ‘now’ exactly become the 'past?

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What is the ‘past’ in actual experience?

So is there actual experience of ‘time’ or thoughts about ‘time’?

With love

Anna

[SeeingFreely]

Hey Kay


Whoops! My phone screen was playing up and pressed submit too early for the above msg..can't see how to edit/delete.

But is there an experience that the ’now’ is moving along the line of time?

There is actual experience of thought saying that time is moving.

Any experience of one ‘moment’ giving way to the next?

This cannot be found in actual experience. Only thought labelling experience this way.

Any actual experience of one event following another?

Nope. There is AE of colour, sound, taste, smell and thought. It a the content of thought that one event follows another.

How fast is the ‘present moment’ actually moving?

It's not moving.

Just look at 'this moment', can you find a point where it began?

No beginning. A 'moment' cannot be found as it is the content of thought.

How long does the ‘now’ last?

There is no 'end' or 'now' in AE as those things are the content of thought.

Where does the ‘now’ start, and where does it end?

'Now' is a thought label and starting and ending are thoughts about thought. Starting and ending cannot be found in AE.

When does the ‘now’ exactly become the 'past?

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'Now' becoming 'past' is content of thought and cannot be found in AE.

What is the ‘past’ in actual experience?

There is no 'past' in actual experience. There is AE of thought.

So is there actual experience of ‘time’ or thoughts about ‘time’?

Only thoughts about time!


With love

Anna

[forgetmenot]

Hey Anna,

Almost everybody believes that a memory thought is referring to something that has happened.
That a memory thought is a different thought than a non-memory thought.

What is memory exactly? – please don’t go to thought explanation, but just let a memory be there, and look at it…

What is the memory ‘made of’?
WHEN does the memory appear?

What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘memory’ thought?

How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘memory’ thought refers to something that has happened?

Then, look at a thought about the future.
What is the future thought ‘made of’?

WHEN does the future thought appear?

What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘future’ thought?
How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘future’ thought refers to something that will happen?

Then let’s compare a thought about past and a thought about the future.
What is the EXACT difference between the thoughts about past and future?
If there is difference, how that difference is known exactly?

Look at what is actually going on and not what thoughts say… but what actually is.

With love, Kay

[SeeingFreely]

Hey Kay

What is the memory ‘made of’?

Thoughts/image.

WHEN does the memory appear?

In the present- although as soon as I think/talk about it, it becomes a thought about thought about thought.

What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘memory’ thought?

There is no difference in AE.

How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘memory’ thought refers to something that has happened?

It is not known.

Then, look at a thought about the future.
What is the future thought ‘made of’?

Thought as well.

WHEN does the future thought appear?

Now.

What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘future’ thought?

There is no difference in AE. Only the content of thought differentiates.

How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘future’ thought refers to something that will happen?

It is not known.

Then let’s compare a thought about past and a thought about the future.
What is the EXACT difference between the thoughts about past and future?

The AE is not different.

If there is difference, how that difference is known exactly?

A difference cannot be found in AE.


With love

Anna

[forgetmenot]

Hey Anna,

Since the beginning of our thread...

What is different?
What is the same?

Love, Kay

[SeeingFreely]

Hi Kay

Since the beginning of our thread...

What is different?
What is the same?

There is no difference in AE. There is only AE.


With love

Anna

[forgetmenot]

Hey Anna,

Put AE aside for these questions please.The questions were asked as I would like to know what you find different now from when we first began this exploration, and what you find is still the same. Also how do you feel from when we started the exploration to now?

Love, kay