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Re: Please help me to see the simple truth of it

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:23 am
by Lawrence
Notice the one that is
feeling sad and tired
. Does that which watches the "sadness and tiredness" feel those emotions or is it just watching. Follow the sensations wherever they are and notice that when there is just Looking-and that Looking is the seat of calmness. That is home.

Re: Please help me to see the simple truth of it

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:19 am
by willing
Dear Lawrence, thank you for your patience. It feels like I’m able to get a little closer this morning. Just a little, mind..
With eyes closed notice there really is no seperation it is all one experience. There are now boundaries or seperation to anything.
Yes, I see that. It’s all just what’s happening in this moment. The darkness of my closed lids, the birds outside, faint hum of traffic, the warmth and pressure where my knees touch, it’s just what’s in experience. It's just experience. I notice that the mind-sense is the most absorbing – I get drawn into thoughts and they somehow take over the experiential space much more readily than the birdsong or the cars or the darkness. Thoughts have no greater reality than the sounds, but they seem to have a more encompassing tendency. How to put it – somehow I feel more “inside” them? The sense of “space” - for want of a better expression – around sensory experience is much more readily available with bodily sensations than thoughts, this morning at least. Yes, it seems that thoughts are dominating at the moment.
Open your eyes and this time just look through open eyes. Wherever you are notice that there are shapes and colours. Everything you see "mind" wants to label , because that is what "mind" has been told to do. like your name. It is just "thinging". It is shape form and colour. Sometimes it moves; sometimes not. It is just an experience happening. Everything you look and hear and smell is just happening. Only mind, using memory, labels it.
This is a lovely thing to do. I immediately look more closely at the features of the visual scene, noticing the texture and reflections in the lamp shade, the shape of the door panels, the shadows they create. The colour of the light. It feels somehow alien to look in this way, but on the other hand it also feels good, like being in closer contact with the space. I like the thought of labels coming from memory being applied to experiencing in the moment, it makes sense. I notice how I have to very consciously adapt to not having the label in mind when I look at something – strange, because it’s so unnecessary almost all of the time! It’s not as though I’m walking around conducting an inventory! Yet still, I look at the lamp, and somewhere in my mind, however faint, is the word ‘lamp’, the knowledge of what it 'is'. Totally superfluous. Yes, there was a feeling almost like a translation taking place from looking in the habitual way to just being visually aware of my current point of focus as an experience. But it was also quite easy once started. There’s a kind of fluidity in this dropping of the labels for things, but also a kind of intensity – vividness. Like more attention can be paid to what is there. I’ve had this experience with thoughts before, but so far not today. I will stick with this non-labelling, and see if that becomes possible again.
Are you seperate from the tree. Surely not. You would die without the tree as you would not die without your arm or lower body...and where does the tree sit...on the ground and needs to be nirtured by the soil. So you are not seperate from the soil, the tree and anything else at all. Everything is reliant on everything else, so there is no individual "I" that does anything.
Woah! Some of this I see and some of it is slightly blowing my mind. I’m definitely not here yet! Interdependency, yes – teachings of conditionality or emptiness I have engaged closely with in my Buddhist practice and I have had fairly brief but deep direct experiences of this too. It was a kind of sensing, but with absolute confidence, that what was being detected in that moment through my human senses was merely the tip of the iceberg of what 'is' – like the roots of that present moment as sensed extend deeply and broadly beyond. I don’t know if I’ve expressed that very well. It was a non-conceptual form of knowing that felt profound and true. What I can’t yet see or sense is that as a consequence of this, the non-individual “I” does not – cannot – do anything. I see the contradiction in what I’m saying! But I can’t wrap my head around what that means for living one’s life, deliberate cultivation of qualities… I know that’s not what we’re doing here. But it seems like this locates a sticking point for me. It seems possible to have spiritual aspirations and to actively cultivate more open-hearted, harmonious, skilful ways of being. They are thoughts at a certain point, but they are also lived ways of being-in-the-world. Does cultivation of this kind really depend on a separate “I”? Can't it be part of the process of life in some other way? I know it’s probably a naïve question, but I am struggling with it!

Huge gratitude, as always,
willing

Re: Please help me to see the simple truth of it

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:30 pm
by Lawrence
Hello Willing

I am dizzy from reading this..some of it is Looking, but most of it is conceptualizing and thinking and philosophizing.
Yes, I see that. It’s all just what’s happening in this moment. The darkness of my closed lids, the birds outside, faint hum of traffic, the warmth and pressure where my knees touch, it’s just what’s in experience. It's just experience. I notice that the mind-sense is the most absorbing –
Looking..great
it’s just what’s in experience. It's just experience. I notice that the mind-sense is the most absorbing – I get drawn into thoughts and they somehow take over the experiential space much more readily than the birdsong or the cars or the darkness. Thoughts have no greater reality than the sounds, but they seem to have a more encompassing tendency. How to put it – somehow I feel more “inside” them? The sense of “space” - for want of a better expression – around sensory experience is much more readily available with bodily sensations than thoughts, this morning at least. Yes, it seems that thoughts are dominating at the moment.
You are simply thinking rather than looking. If you goto thinking that is where you will stay
This is a lovely thing to do. I immediately look more closely at the features of the visual scene, noticing the texture and reflections in the lamp shade, the shape of the door panels, the shadows they create. The colour of the light. It feels somehow alien to look in this way, but on the other hand it also feels good, like being in closer contact with the space
Looking...Great
I like the thought of labels coming from memory being applied to experiencing in the moment, it makes sense. I notice how I have to very consciously adapt to not having the label in mind when I look at something – strange, because it’s so unnecessary almost all of the time! It’s not as though I’m walking around conducting an inventory! Yet still, I look at the lamp, and somewhere in my mind, however faint, is the word ‘lamp’, the knowledge of what it 'is'. Totally superfluous. Yes, there was a feeling almost like a translation taking place from looking in the habitual way to just being visually aware of my current point of focus as an experience. But it was also quite easy once started. There’s a kind of fluidity in this dropping of the labels for things, but also a kind of intensity – vividness. Like more attention can be paid to what is there. I’ve had this experience with thoughts before, but so far not today. I will stick with this non-labelling, and see if that becomes possible again.
Watch these words...readily going to thinking..rather than simply Looking
Woah! Some of this I see and some of it is slightly blowing my mind.
It's just simple truth Isn't ?
I
’m definitely not here yet! Interdependency, yes – teachings of conditionality or emptiness I have engaged closely with in my Buddhist practice and I have had fairly brief but deep direct experiences of this too. It was a kind of sensing, but with absolute confidence, that what was being detected in that moment through my human senses was merely the tip of the iceberg of what 'is' – like the roots of that present moment as sensed extend deeply and broadly beyond. I don’t know if I’ve expressed that very well. It was a non-conceptual form of knowing that felt profound and true. What I can’t yet see or sense is that as a consequence of this, the non-individual “I” does not – cannot – do anything. I see the contradiction in what I’m saying! But I can’t wrap my head around what that means for living one’s life, deliberate cultivation of qualities… I know that’s not what we’re doing here. But it seems like this locates a sticking point for me. It seems possible to have spiritual aspirations and to actively cultivate more open-hearted, harmonious, skilful ways of being. They are thoughts at a certain point, but they are also lived ways of being-in-the-world. Does cultivation of this kind really depend on a separate “I”? Can't it be part of the process of life in some other way? I know it’s probably a naïve question, but I am struggling with it!
Blah..di..blah..di..blah..di..blah

Who is it that is asking these questions ?
It is the illusion of "I" in full flow.
You can LOOK, JUST LOOK at what I ask you to do or you can carry on conceptualizing philosophising and thinking..but that is where you will stay.
I can only point you
Love and Blessings
Lawrence

Re: Please help me to see the simple truth of it

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:35 pm
by Lawrence
Hi again
Try this simple experiment. No thought needed..AT ALL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHfD8ozxXhA

Re: Please help me to see the simple truth of it

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:03 pm
by Lawrence

Re: Please help me to see the simple truth of it

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:17 pm
by Lawrence

Re: Please help me to see the simple truth of it

Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:46 am
by Lawrence
Hi Willing

I was going to write this tomorrow morning, but I am awake so...
Please watch the three vids and imerse yourself -then read this after

I needed to bust into the thought process by throwing away your support to get you focussed and now look at your THINKING processess her
What I can’t yet see or sense is that as a consequence of this, the non-individual “I” does not – cannot – do anything.
I have pointed and shown how you do not control anything and you concur and agree. You know you cannot locate the "I" anywhere. If you cannot locate something that you believe is there it is called an illusion. An illusion ,like a dream , is very real. It has an apparent reality but it is just an illusion. You may "feel" it but that does not make it real. I have proved to you by your own standards that none of it is real, but you use thinking and that very process is the illusion. You can only see through it byjust Looking .
I see the contradiction in what I’m saying! But I can’t wrap my head around what that means for living one’s life, deliberate cultivation of qualities… I know that’s not what we’re doing here. But it seems like this locates a sticking point for me. It seems possible to have spiritual aspirations and to actively cultivate more open-hearted, harmonious, skilful ways of being. They are thoughts at a certain point, but they are also lived ways of being-in-the-world.
This is a very Buddhist path here and is well and fine and you can search this way. However when you let go and live from Looking slowly, at first, things will start to fall away and Pure Love will fall from the top down, rather than the bottom up as in Buddhism ( and you wont get there-LU is full of ex-Triratna Buddhists). Things will take time to fall and settle...but you have to LET GO and TRUST. Get out of your own way and start simply Looking . Forget Thinking
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Does cultivation of this kind really depend on a separate “I”? Can't it be part of the process of life in some other way? I know it’s probably a naïve question, but I am struggling with it!
You can opt to live life as a dream and cope in a different way. When you LET YOURSELF GO you will see that as no-one is seperate from anyone else, we are simply all one and your heart will automatically start openning, because when you FEEL you are not seperate from anyone else, why would you not be "open-hearted and skilful" because you are you are just nurturing other aspects of your TRUE Nature or Awareness. Buddhism cultivates "meta" as the begining process to say, By LOVING KINDNESS, you will eventually be enlightened ( maybe/prpabably not in this life, but you will get a good way down the road-perhaps through years of study and thinking). When you get out of your own way, enlightment just starts to fall through by SIMPLY LOOKING. The rest will follow naturaly because it is TRUE NATURE shining through. Thats why we are here guiding because by helping we are nurturing. Pure Love

and just to show there is no negativity here about Buddhism (the Buddha is number ! !) and Buddhism is just another aspect of Awareness/ True Nature I am spending Saturday with a friend at an obscure Tibetan Buddhist Group.

Enjoy your weekend
JUST LOOK
Much Love
Lawrence

Re: Please help me to see the simple truth of it

Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:01 am
by Lawrence
Language got too dramatic her-I get carried away too
When you get out of your own way, enlightment just starts to fall through by SIMPLY LOOKING. The rest will follow naturaly because it is TRUE NATURE shining through.
should read
When you get out of your own way, SEEING just starts happening by SIMPLY LOOKING. The prcoesses to it deepening will follow naturally or with help- and there are processes to help you further here and elswhere.

Re: Please help me to see the simple truth of it

Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 9:29 am
by willing
Hello Lawrence

I'm so sorry I didn't make a post yesterday - I am getting a bit lost in this. I planned to reply last night after listening to the guided meditation you sent me (for the third time!), but I fell asleep. I'm finding it hard to stay with my direct experience, but when I do, I am not seeing a "watcher" or an "ever-present awareness that is always calm, never hurt". What I'm experiencing are the sensations of the moment more fully. I watched all of these materials you sent to me gratefully, but what seems to be happening is I'm getting a sense that I'm "supposed" to be experiencing something that I'm just not seeing - and I sense a bit of resistance arising. I wouldn't want to fall into the trap of "seeing what I want to see", or what I'm told is there, it needs to be authentic. I've spent a little time trying to drop a little deeper but I think I need to let go of this feeling that I'm supposed to be seeing something in particular, and instead just be with what is here and allow my seeing to refine a little more. It may take a little while, maybe not, but the not-naming of things definitely helps.
I have pointed and shown how you do not control anything and you concur and agree. You know you cannot locate the "I" anywhere. If you cannot locate something that you believe is there it is called an illusion. An illusion ,like a dream , is very real. It has an apparent reality but it is just an illusion.
I do agree the "I" is an illusion, you're right, or at least, that it is made of thoughts. That seems very clear. I am not sure about control - don't think I've seen that yet. In the moment, yes it seems clear that thoughts arise - in fact I have watched choices arising and then seen myself "claim" them as a decision right after, when they're already being enacted! But. At longer timescales, I haven't got my head around the idea that there's never any kind of shaping or influencing by intention at all. Suspect that's a contradiction, since what happens, happens NOW. But this is one of the places where my seeing is lacking clarity.
you have to LET GO and TRUST. Get out of your own way and start simply Looking .
Yes, and this is hard at the moment. My experience doesn't feel like it matches what I'm hearing it's supposed to contain, so there's a tightening happening - it is hard to trust that just now. I'm aware that it might simply be that I'm not looking deeply or clearly enough, but I think this may need more time and practice. I did say I was terribly conceptual!!! Will stay with it.
and just to show there is no negativity here about Buddhism (the Buddha is number ! !) and Buddhism is just another aspect of Awareness/ True Nature I am spending Saturday with a friend at an obscure Tibetan Buddhist Group.
Happy to hear this! Hope you had a good day :-)

much love
willing

Re: Please help me to see the simple truth of it

Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:24 pm
by Lawrence
I'm so sorry I didn't make a post yesterday - I am getting a bit lost in this. I planned to reply last night after listening to the guided meditation you sent me (for the third time!), but I fell asleep. I'm finding it hard to stay with my direct experience, but when I do, I am not seeing a "watcher" or an "ever-present awareness that is always calm, never hurt".
No worries. Perhaps I am forcing you to run before you can walk. Forget about this.
What I'm experiencing are the sensations of the moment more fully. I watched all of these materials you sent to me gratefully, but what seems to be happening is I'm getting a sense that I'm "supposed" to be experiencing something that I'm just not seeing - and I sense a bit of resistance arising.
Yes the resistance. This is what needs observing. Follow this resistance. Where is it felt. Again. Not where you think it might be. Follow it directly
I wouldn't want to fall into the trap of "seeing what I want to see", or what I'm told is there, it needs to be authentic.
Absolutely. It is your enquiry. You will "see" when you "see" it. You will know the difference...and so will I.
I've spent a little time trying to drop a little deeper but I think I need to let go of this feeling that I'm supposed to be seeing something in particular, and instead just be with what is here and allow my seeing to refine a little more. It may take a little while, maybe not, but the not-naming of things definitely helps.
Perfect Looking inquiry. That is the way
I do agree the "I" is an illusion, you're right, or at least, that it is made of thoughts. That seems very clear. I am not sure about control - don't think I've seen that yet. In the moment, yes it seems clear that thoughts arise - in fact I have watched choices arising and then seen myself "claim" them as a decision right after, when they're already being enacted! But. At longer timescales, I haven't got my head around the idea that there's never any kind of shaping or influencing by intention at all. Suspect that's a contradiction, since what happens, happens NOW. But this is one of the places where my seeing is lacking clarity.
Let us enquire further here. Show me how you think you are controlling "stuff". Give examples. Let us explore this.
Yes, and this is hard at the moment. My experience doesn't feel like it matches what I'm hearing it's supposed to contain, so there's a tightening happening - it is hard to trust that just now. I'm aware that it might simply be that I'm not looking deeply or clearly enough, but I think this may need more time and practice. I did say I was terribly conceptual!!! Will stay with it.
Again notice this tightening. Where is it felt in your Direct Experience of Looking?
It is the same as the resistance you mention above. They are both that "illusion of "I" grabbing you.

As to the meeting. Just felt like lost souls banging around in some bagatelle. There questions for the teacher that came and all the talk about lineage, conceptual hell and karma from past lives means you should acquiece to that karma have trapped Indian Dalits into servitutde. Even assuming Karma exists it does not mean you acquiece -just accept. There is a huge difference. I fell asleep. Felt Love for them all though.
Blessings and Love
Lawrence

Re: Please help me to see the simple truth of it

Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:32 pm
by willing
This is so helpful, thank you! Jumping straight in..
Yes the resistance. This is what needs observing. Follow this resistance. Where is it felt.
As soon as I leave this idea that there’s supposed to be a watcher in my experience, the resistance is gone. There’s nothing I detect, anyway. I feel curious and excited. The looking feels freer.
Let us enquire further here. Show me how you think you are controlling "stuff". Give examples. Let us explore this.
Amazing how sometimes acknowledging a block or difficulty can be enough to loosen it. I don’t control stuff. “I” don’t control anything. I can see things just arise, but sometimes there’s a thought that follows where “I” lay claim to it as an action deliberately directed. I mentioned before I have actually seen this happening: a couple of times these last few days when I was eating, I noticed that the next mouthful was chosen and moved towards before I “decided” what to taste next. Very funny to observe my mind doing that! And I realised, if that urge to own actions happens so readily with something so trivial, how much more likely with something of seeming significance, like the unfolding of a life, or pursuit of aspirations? Of course it happens there too. I see that the intentions and spiritual aspirations I got hung up on are just thoughts too – they’re part of a self-narrative I've got going and it's the same thing as narrating the unfolding of a lunch!

And another thing I noticed: fear was holding me back too. I thought that to “surrender” (as though I had a choice) control would be to fall into sluggish passivity, just waiting for the next action to happen of its own accord since I couldn’t instigate anything. Quite a faint, but very real fear, and one stemming from years of illness that I experienced in some ways as a painful loss, a time of enforced inactivity and powerlessness. There’s real fear about going back there. A story I know, but one that I think got in the way. Now I'm seeing myself as part of the vast network of everything, how could I ever exert control over the countless and unknown forces shaping each and every moment of life?! It seems quite mad to have had that idea!! And I see this doesn’t mean sluggish passivity – well, not of necessity – what happens is what arises in each moment, given the conditions at play (sorry for the Buddhist language there, it just helps me to express how I’m seeing this). Actually I can test the feared consequence in experience: in the past, I’ve noticed that when “I” get out of the way of a chore, activity, something needing doing, often it seems easier to do if anything. More fluid, more productive, less resistance. So that ‘fear’ hypothesis fails on the evidence I have so far. Will keep trying to look more deeply, and see if anything more comes now that this fear has been seen and maybe allayed. When I saw that's what was going on, I felt this lovely opening, broadening feeling in my chest, like a flower head unfolding, and a feeling of brightness. It’s still there a bit. It feels potent and new and it’s making me smile.

Thank you for your patient pointing Lawrence, our investigation shifts again!

Love
willing

Re: Please help me to see the simple truth of it

Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 9:28 pm
by Lawrence
Hello again Willing. It is beautiful to read your post this evening
As soon as I leave this idea that there’s supposed to be a watcher in my experience, the resistance is gone. There’s nothing I detect, anyway. I feel curious and excited. The looking feels freer.
Perfect.That was why I said to drop the idea. The "watcher" is just a metaphor and I see it was wrong in encouraging what does not work for you. However you "saw" through it and knew what needed to be seen in the way you perceived what is happening.
Now I'm seeing myself as part of the vast network of everything, how could I ever exert control over the countless and unknown forces shaping each and every moment of life?!
Wow. Beautiful.
what happens is what arises in each moment,
Perfect
Will keep trying to look more deeply, and see if anything more comes now that this fear has been seen and maybe allayed. When I saw that's what was going on, I felt this lovely opening, broadening feeling in my chest, like a flower head unfolding, and a feeling of brightness. It’s still there a bit. It feels potent and new and it’s making me smile.
You seem to be blossoming out. Please keep Looking at all these experiences. Repeat all the activities already given as much as possible. JUST LOOK
I was about to send you this wonderful discussion about being at one with the world when I saw you already posted, but I post it anyway because it underlines how we are connected and Thich Nhat Hanh has such clarity..enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAw74kZYpCI
Blessings
Lawrence

Re: Please help me to see the simple truth of it

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:33 am
by willing
Thank you for this link, Lawrence. It couldn't have been more perfectly judged - I spent some time on retreat at Plum Village last Christmas and Thich Nhat Hahn's teaching is very close to my heart. I watched some other snippets too, and feel nourished by them.

I haven't anything more to add to what I wrote yesterday yet, but am continuing to look with care and will see what comes. But there has been a feeling of joy very close to the surface since then, a lot of laughter, and a feeling of truth to this.

until soon, and thanking you with heartfelt gratitude,
willing

Re: Please help me to see the simple truth of it

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:53 am
by Lawrence
Lovely Willing
If you get time do watch the unique Russel Williams. Extroadinary BEing..I read his only book published last year at 94 !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veDAgwg9jSo&t=302s
Love
Lawrence

Re: Please help me to see the simple truth of it

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:01 pm
by willing
Lawrence, thank you so much for sharing this with me - what a treat! I sat down yesterday evening to watch a little out of curiosity, and was mesmerised for the entire video! Simply in awe - of this incredible man's humility as much as the profundity of his insight. I guess they are both aspects of the same thing. What an absolute treat.

It has been longer since my last post. Partly because of a very long workday travelling for meetings, but also, something's changed. I haven't been investigating my experience very intently, just enjoying it. I feel quite blissful, the kind of calm that can follow time spent on retreat. There's much more to see, I feel that keenly, but it's like I'm resting a while before probing again. It is a very, very lovely feeling. Some things I've noticed: my 'wants' are less in the foreground. I mean even over little things like what to have for dinner - I'm still preparing and enjoying the food, but my appetite is less vigorous somehow. Same with other things. My 'likes' seem less relevant. I haven't really noticed anything being disliked. I feel a kind of wellbeing. Part of it is tenderness, or love. It's not very prominent or strong feeling, it's quite in the background, but definitely there. I think other people can sense it. It doesn't appear to be intoxication with an idea of something shifting in me - I wondered if it might be yesterday but I've been checking it out and I think it is a genuine shift in mode or something. It's there underneath last night's too little sleep, too early start, a thumping headache much of the day and the beginnings of a cold. And it's still there when familiar patterns of thinking arise, too, and they're somehow weaker anyway.

It's mysterious and interesting, feels like an adventure. It feels like part of the investigation too, but not a very effortful part. I wanted to let you know that I'm going on retreat on Friday for a week - it feels like a strange time to go - but there again perhaps it's a chance to devotee much more time to this looking. I'd be grateful for some of your lovely pointers, if there's anything you would suggest on - what now?

love to you,
willing