Help a shift to seeing correctly

[yoyo]

. I don't quite get what you mean when you say "two AE operating at same time", can you explain that to me please.

yes.when tasting happened and sensation happened no separation line and the same with seeing color and feeling sensation they had no boundry between
Allen-:)

[yoyo]

. I don't quite get what you mean when you say "two AE operating at same time", can you explain that to me please.

was tasting food with sensation in mouth of chewing and seeing a towel color and feeling it at same time wasn't very clear on last text

[forgetmenot]

Hi Allen,

I don't quite get what you mean when you say "two AE operating at same time", can you explain that to me please.

yes.when tasting happened and sensation happened no separation line and the same with seeing color and feeling sensation they had no boundry between

Fantastic! Yes absolutely….no boundaries or dividing lines to be found anywhere ‘between’ AE.

So, LOOK carefully, how is it known that coloursoundtastesmellthoughtsensation are different types of experience? If you drop all labels and thoughts ABOUT coloursoundtastesmellsensationthought, are these ‘experiences’ different or are they just experience?

Kay
xx

[yoyo]

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So, LOOK carefully, how is it known that coloursoundtastesmellthoughtsensation are different types of experience? If you drop all labels and thoughts ABOUT coloursoundtastesmellsensationthought, are these ‘experiences’ different or are they just experience?

only seemingly known as content of thought and devided up by a thinker.without labels they all smoosh together with the loudest one jumping into attention wheather sight,sound,sensation,taste or smell.With thoughts in the backround always.thinking can also be the focus and all other AEa little more in backround.cant see a boundry or deviding line between any AE.wow!! All just happening no lines or boundries between AE.the mind wants to discount this.like thoughts wants to get loud
So much gratitude kay
Allen
Ps have a medical proceedure tomorrow for a pinched nerve so will answer question after when the mind clears up

[forgetmenot]

Hi Allen,

So, LOOK carefully, how is it known that coloursoundtastesmellthoughtsensation are different types of experience? If you drop all labels and thoughts ABOUT coloursoundtastesmellsensationthought, are these ‘experiences’ different or are they just experience?

only seemingly known as content of thought and devided up by a thinker.

Okay, so what is the AE of a ‘thinker’?
Can a ‘thinker’ of any description be found when LOOKING with AE?

without labels they all smoosh together with the loudest one jumping into attention wheather sight,sound,sensation,taste or smell.With thoughts in the backround always.thinking can also be the focus and all other AEa little more in backround.cant see a boundry or deviding line between any AE.wow!! All just happening no lines or boundries between AE.the mind wants to discount this.like thoughts wants to get loud

So, just confirming...are there different experiences of AE or just experience happening?
When dropping all labels and thoughts about experience, is sound different to taste? Is taste different to colour, is sensation different to thought, is smell different to taste? Or they are just experience which thought divides and says that each are different experiences and show up in different forms and qualities of experience?

Ps have a medical proceedure tomorrow for a pinched nerve so will answer question after when the mind clears up

I hope all goes well with your procedure tomorrow and thank you for letting me know.

So much gratitude kay

The privilege is all mine…so thank you :)

Love, Kay
xx

PS...I noticed that you mastered the quote function! Top stuff! Thank you for making the effort :)

[yoyo]

. Okay, so what is the AE of a ‘thinker’?
Can a ‘thinker’ of any description be found when LOOKING with AE?

well crap! No cant find one in AE actually.thoughts appear and content appear in same blankness that all the other AE appears in when LOOKING.staying up late cuz of momentum.so just this AE hapenning??? What the hell!! No thinker in AE
Allen

[yoyo]

. So, just confirming...are there different experiences of AE or just experience happening?
When dropping all labels and thoughts about experience, is sound different to taste? Is taste different to colour, is sensation different to thought, is smell different to taste? Or they are just experience which thought divides and says that each are different experiences and show up in different forms and qualities of experience?

actually without labels or thought dividing there is just experiencing happening
Well bedtime now and hope more questions coming i'm hungry to LOOK some more
Much love allen

[forgetmenot]

Hey Allen,

Loving the momentum!

. Okay, so what is the AE of a ‘thinker’?
Can a ‘thinker’ of any description be found when LOOKING with AE?

well crap! No cant find one in AE actually.thoughts appear and content appear in same blankness that all the other AE appears in when LOOKING.staying up late cuz of momentum.so just this AE hapenning??? What the hell!! No thinker in AE

Haha! Lovely! Yes, there is no thinker! Thoughts appear but there is no one thinking thoughts!

. So, just confirming...are there different experiences of AE or just experience happening?
When dropping all labels and thoughts about experience, is sound different to taste? Is taste different to colour, is sensation different to thought, is smell different to taste? Or they are just experience which thought divides and says that each are different experiences and show up in different forms and qualities of experience?

actually without labels or thought dividing there is just experiencing happening

YES! There is just experience happening.

The word ‘experiencing’ implies that there is someone or something that experiences experience. Can you find anyone or anything in AE that is ‘experiencing’ experience, or is just experience appearing?

Not only does ‘experiencing’ imply a someone/something, it also points to time and time is just another concept. (We will look at time, later on! haha)

Well bedtime now and hope more questions coming i'm hungry to LOOK some more

Good night, I look forward to our next 'momentum', and yes, there are plenty of questions to come! :)

Much love
Kay
Xx

[yoyo]

. The word ‘experiencing’ implies that there is someone or something that experiences experience. Can you find anyone or anything in AE that is ‘experiencing’ experience, or is just experience appearing?

other than a thought commentater which is seen to be thought appearing from memory which is seen to just appear. Seems like there is a repository of memories that r personal to this body.wait in AE thoughts just appear memory is a story or content of thought.actually cant find a source so so no one there in AE.Fkin actually all the thoughts r the same in AE no matter what they imply or point to hmmm.......
Love this
Much love kay
Allen
Off to doc ill answer Q this afternoon -:)

[forgetmenot]

Hi Allen,

I hope all went well at the doctors :)

The word ‘experiencing’ implies that there is someone or something that experiences experience. Can you find anyone or anything in AE that is ‘experiencing’ experience, or is just experience appearing?

other than a thought commentater which is seen to be thought appearing from memory which is seen to just appear. Seems like there is a repository of memories that r personal to this body.wait in AE thoughts just appear memory is a story or content of thought.

There is no commentator/storyteller. Thought is the story. Thoughts ABOUT life/experience is the story.

Yes, the concept of ‘memory’ is just that, a concept! It is thought fluff! lol

WHEN does the ‘memory’ appear?
What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘memory’ thought?

actually cant find a source so so no one there in AE.Fkin actually all the thoughts r the same in AE no matter what they imply or point to hmmm.......
Love this

Thought is actual experience(AE) and it either points to AE (colourthoughtsoundsmelltastesensation) or it points to stories/concepts.

For example, the thought ‘pain’ points to sensation ‘ouchouch’ (AE), but thoughts about stubbing the big toe against the chair is just story/fiction (aka thought story).
Sound labelled "tweet" points to AE of sound, but thought story says that a blue bird down the street made that sound.
Can you see this?


Love, Kay
xx

[yoyo]

. WHEN does the ‘memory’ appear?
What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘memory’ thought?

can't find a difference at all been looking off and on.they appear in AE the same out off nowhere. Always thought there was a summoner off memory and thar is just another thought now that i'm looking. What a trip huh?

[yoyo]

. For example, the thought ‘pain’ points to sensation ‘ouchouch’ (AE), but thoughts about stubbing the big toe against the chair is just story/fiction (aka thought story).
Sound labelled "tweet" points to AE of sound, but thought story says that a blue bird down the street made that sound.
Can you see this?

yes kay. Thought is AE.content-story is made up a narrative about the actual happenig of AE.keep getting confused about this more often than not still want to see story as part of whats happening when looking harder i see it is not AE

[yoyo]

. For example, the thought ‘pain’ points to sensation ‘ouchouch’ (AE), but thoughts about stubbing the big toe against the chair is just story/fiction (aka thought story).
Sound labelled "tweet" points to AE of sound, but thought story says that a blue bird down the street made that sound.
Can you see this?

so thought of music is ponting to AE of sound then appearing in thought content with duration to be a song.wow!!! That is now content.so is a story of hearing a song.duration is memory appearing so has to be story.shit so enjoying a song a story. And the enjoyer of the song is story ie; thoughts
Can.t sleep.thoughts keep happening

[forgetmenot]

Hey Allen,

Don’t forget to answer each question. By answering each question asked, I can ensure that you are clear, so as to leave nothing in doubt. :)

WHEN does the ‘memory’ appear?
What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘memory’ thought?

can't find a difference at all been looking off and on.they appear in AE the same out off nowhere. Always thought there was a summoner off memory and thar is just another thought now that i'm looking. What a trip huh?

Haha….yes, what a trip!

So, when does the ‘memory’ actually appear?
How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘memory’ thought refers to something that has happened?

For example, the thought ‘pain’ points to sensation ‘ouchouch’ (AE), but thoughts about stubbing the big toe against the chair is just story/fiction (aka thought story).
Sound labelled "tweet" points to AE of sound, but thought story says that a blue bird down the street made that sound.
Can you see this?

yes kay. Thought is AE.content-story is made up a narrative about the actual happenig of AE.keep getting confused about this more often than not still want to see story as part of whats happening when looking harder i see it is not AE

Not seeing it straight away is normal. That is why I ask you to LOOK, so that LOOKING not only then becomes automatic, but that you begin to distinguish between AE of thought and content of thought. You are doing great!

You have already seen that thought come and go and that there is no location or container from whence they come from or go to!

Here is a thought exercise to take a further look at thought. Sit for about 30 minutes and notice the arising thoughts. Just let them appear as they appear and notice what the thought actually is - words, mental images, bits of music - whatever appears.

Try your best to COMPLETELY ignore what they are saying, and rather just notice how they appear, without you doing anything at all.

- Did you do anything to make a particular thought or thoughts appear?
- Could you have done anything to make a different thought appear at that exact moment instead?
- Can you predict your next thought?
- Can you push away any thought?
- Can you select from a range of thoughts to have only pleasant thoughts?
- Can you stop thinking a thought in the middle?
- Can you choose not to have painful, negative or fearful thoughts?
- Can you pick and choose any kind of thought?
- Is it possible to control any thoughts?
- Is it possible to prevent a thought from appearing? Including the thought 'I'?
- It seems that thought has some logical ordered appearance, but look carefully and just notice if there is an organised sequence? Or is that just another thought that says ‘these thoughts are in sequence’ or “they take content from previous thought”, or that ‘one thought follows another thought’?


Please look carefully when doing this exercise, and do the exercise a couple of time if necessary. Answer all questions highlighted in blue text.

Much love,
Kay
xx

[forgetmenot]

For example, the thought ‘pain’ points to sensation ‘ouchouch’ (AE), but thoughts about stubbing the big toe against the chair is just story/fiction (aka thought story).
Sound labelled "tweet" points to AE of sound, but thought story says that a blue bird down the street made that sound.
Can you see this?

so thought of music is ponting to AE of sound then appearing in thought content with duration to be a song.wow!!! That is now content.so is a story of hearing a song.duration is memory appearing so has to be story.shit so enjoying a song a story. And the enjoyer of the song is story ie; thoughts
Can.t sleep.thoughts keep happening

Yes, thought/label 'music' is AE of sound and not the AE of music. The concept of sound being music is thought story ie content of thought.

If *lalalalala* is showing up, and thought is saying, "this is music", you didn't need thought to say, "this is music" in order to be aware of the "lalalalala*, to which thought is referring.
Thought is a commentator you have no need of, in order to be aware of *lalalalalala*.
But you know that the thought/concept "music" is referring to ACTUAL experience of *lalalalala*

There is no dividing line between the known *lalalala*, and the knowing of *lalalalala*. Knowingknown are one and the same.

And yes, there is no 'enjoyer' of music. Can an 'enjoyer of music' be found anywhere in AE? That would mean that there is someone that is experiencing experience which points to subject/object split. And there is no split between knowingknown.

Love, Kay
xx