hi Xain,
“To be able to answer your question there is a reflection on a me, cause and effect.
In a general descriptive way, yes of course.
I am asking you do something, you are then telling me what you find.
You are thinking what to write, and then typing a reply with your hands.
Also, Santa Claus flies through the air on a sleigh pulled by reindeer and gives presents on 25th December to 4 billion people in 24 hours.
Funny perhaps, but can you see the point I am making? We can talk about anything we like here. This entire conversation is the apparent passing of thoughts and ideas. BUT . . . are these thoughts and ideas any more than that?
yes I see your point, and it is no more then thoughts. but as they are used here as an aid in that they do create cracks in the foundation of ‘self’ their use can be confusing.
Is there a real 'Santa Claus' delivering presents?
Is there a real 'I' choosing and controlling?
no real santa and no real ‘I’.
“Because there is you asking a question
Known for certain? Or an assumption.
an assumption albeit as powerfull as the ‘I’ assumption.
I look here and cannot find any person asking a question.
If it is suggested 'I am asking you a question' it is clear that it is only in thoughts and ideas..
Not 'inherently real and true'.
Yes that’s clear when there is no identification, and/but can still be only on a level of thought.
Experientially, lets say ‘lived’/'truly seen', it was only for few seconds and within that, it threw my entire usual perception around which no thought or idea could comprehend.
Reflecting on this moment of ‘seeing’, indentification through thought regained now assuming that experience should be a certain way/different for realisation to be possible, and consequently that there is control over experience itself a.s.o.
All this exposes is that thought habit is so strong and compelling that it is hard to walk a straight line. But (like you said) i have to answer from what i truly believe to gain some clarity to get of that merry go round. I dont envy you, but am tremendous gratefull to you.
Ignore 'other people' completely - How can you know what other people are feeling/experiencing at all?
I cannot.
You can only assume. We are not here to guess of assume things.
yes ,that’s the greatness of LU, feeling fortunate to be here.
‘In seeing, this body is wherever ‘I am’, or always present in experience.
What is the 'I' that is located where the body is?
‘I’ as awareness-
I now realize :-) that when previously looking for the ‘I’, this (I am awareness) was overlooked because ‘I am awareness’ was regarded as an unquestionable undoubtable truth-
the funny thing is I don’t even know what awareness truly means, or what it actually points to, except to this witnessing quality, and you see, here it is already granted that witnessing is something real.
A body might be always present in experience. So?
Couldn't that just be 'the way it is' - Why does it have to have a separate owner?
It is the way it is.Ownership is without question taken for granted, for I and ownership go hand in hand, I me mine.
Close your eyes - Still a body in experience?
No.
We could say 'there is a perspective' to the current experience (particularly in 'seeing'). Sure.
But is it owned by a body or an 'I'?
No, not by the body, the body is experienced. But I realize today that by the same teaching I realized that the body is experienced, I had simultaneously replaced I with awareness,
but because of things like you said ‘awareness going to buy a newspaper’ is absurd and laughable,+not knowing what awareness truly is except this witnessing quality I tried to fit this inquiry into that model, and it gave me a headache,
but great to see that now thanks,(I did not do that knowingly)
What did you find when the senses were examined? Do those exercises again if you need clarity.
I found only the seen , the felt, the tasted.
It seemed so logically true that without awareness nothing can be seen etc. that this awareness filter model was not noticed. Also it did not interfere with that there is only the seen heard etc, and no body or I doing seeing,
Now it is clear that it is in fact also an assumption eventough there might be some relative truth to it ,it is blocking further exploration.
‘in feeling, there are sensations which are also wherever ‘I am’ or/in experience
This is directly against what you found when we did 'feeling' - If you want to, we can examine this area again if you are unclear.
I hope i made it clear why I stated the above. I am sorry that my answers may sound flaky and repetitive in this post, but I just discover this now and am not fully clear aboutit all yet.
Thank you so much,Swa
