Clarity

[Ghata]

Dear Dale,

you are experiencing the different weather episodes of life. They still happen after seeing through the illusion of self.

Sometimes you are angry, then happy, then detached, then involved....it is the same like sun, rain, snow and thundering. It happens. It passes.

Like it does not matter what I think or anyone else thinks. It does not matter what "Dale" does or doesn't do. There use to be constant self judgment. I find that now slipping away. And even the feeling of I like her (Dale) that I have never experienced before. lol - And the judgment of others is easing - almost gone is the experience now

Lovely :-)

Explore life without a me. My questions are secondary.

When you feel like it, look into them, if not, no problem. You did some good looking. So if and when you like, look at the other questions.

can not find a me -but there is awareness.

Awareness. Such a big word, isn't it? It sounds special, spiritual, nearly holy. When you look into it, it is utterly normal.

How do you know that you are aware? What does the word "awareness" refer to?

Keep exploring life, I am looking forward to hearing about your discoveries :-).

Much love,
Ghata

[Dale Marie]

Hi Ghata,

Explore life without a me. My questions are secondary.

There is pondering this. To be honest there is not much to say at this moment. There is observation of thoughts that come an go. Thoughts that want to have a personal "I" - thoughts that want to defend a personal "I". Thoughts that say look for the "I" -
When I do look - there is no "I".

Awareness. Such a big word, isn't it? It sounds special, spiritual, nearly holy. When you look into it, it is utterly normal.
How do you know that you are aware? What does the word "awareness" refer to?

Yes I see that, awareness just is - normal. It always is.
I do not know that there is an "I" to be aware. There is awareness (dictionary definition- knowledge or perception of a situation or fact.)

Am "I" aware? What I see when I ask that iss: There is something perceiving that seems to be in the head behind the eyes. But when I look - I do not know what that is. Meaning it is invisible. No where to be found.

What humans call consciousness

(dictionary definition: The state of being awake and aware of one's surroundings. - the awareness or perception of something by a person.
-the fact of awareness by the mind of itself and the world.)

I think consciousness and awareness are the same thing. - It can not be found - they are invisible - but it is there.

And that is all I know! lol
And who is this "I" that knows? I dont know!

[Dale Marie]

PS - I just saw that this "I" as a thought wants an answer. So I say an answer to what? lol - now I am just laughing - because these question thoughts that "want" answers are endless! Where do they come from? I dont know! They come and go, come and go. And - really it seems the question does not want an answer! Because with an answer - the questions would stop! lol

[Ghata]

Dear Dale,

Hahaha! Yes, who is this I that doesn't know :-). The thoughts can invent the funniest questions!

You don't have to leave awareness to mystery.

What is the direct experience of "awareness"? How do you know, that awareness/cosciousness is there?

Is there anything you would like to look at?

Much love,
Ghata

[Dale Marie]

Oh, quick note - I was thinking about what is different in life today since the "seeing."
It is that the need to be special is not there. There is no "I" so how can anything be special and the "I"dea "special) is a thought.

[Ghata]

Dear Dale,

Oh, quick note - I was thinking about what is different in life today since the "seeing."
It is that the need to be special is not there. There is no "I" so how can anything be special and the "I"dea "special) is a thought.

Beautiful :-). It takes a lot of effort to keep up an illusion!

Much love,
Ghata

[Ghata]

Dear Dale,

How do you feel, did you make new discoveries?


I am looking forward to hearing from you :-).

Much love,
Ghata

[Dale Marie]

Hello Ghata :-)
Not much to say, there is experience and something aware of it. It happens at the same time - so really there is no separation. Thought arise, then there is contemplation of the thoughts which are really just more thoughts! I could say that there is more awareness of "thinking" meaning when aware of a steam of thoughts, say for example a story of judgments when noticed I seem to have a choice to let it effect me like I use to, like go into blame. Or just notice it is thoughts and choose not to react. Am "I" choosing? There is an experience of seeing and not participating. If that makes sense. Like Tolle said - there seems to be 2 of me. lol One that runs on and on, reactions to thoughts. And one that can stand back from them an just observe.

[Ghata]

Dear Dale,

great to hear from you. It looks like you are doing well in your new normal :-).

Or just notice it is thoughts and choose not to react. Am "I" choosing? There is an experience of seeing and not participating. If that makes sense. Like Tolle said - there seems to be 2 of me. lol One that runs on and on, reactions to thoughts. And one that can stand back from them an just observe.

Hahaha, now the Me's multiply ;-). Choosing is still happening and as awareness is always 'on', it is noticed.

Reacting to something happens when the perception is there: "I want this" or "I don't want this". Just staying with the arising sensations when something happens you don't like, will stop you from jumping into reaction.

Do you have any questions? Is anything unclear?

Much love,
Ghata

[Dale Marie]

Reacting to something happens when the perception is there: "I want this" or "I don't want this". Just staying with the arising sensations when something happens you don't like, will stop you from jumping into reaction.

Yes - good one!
Having this group and you to talk to has brought me back to really questioning and observing thoughts. I have been doing it off and on - but you asking questions seems to keep me more aware of what I am thinking! lol.

I use to think that "I" was evolving - I would wonder why I and people like me are "getting" this and others are not "yet".
Then I saw that it was not me who decided to get it. This stuff just came. I did not decide it.
I saw that I did not really have a choice. To satisfy that question- this came - Consciousness is evolving and a personal I has nothing to do with it. This body is just a vehicle, it appears that Adele is doing it, but really it is nothing special - since I did not chose it. hahaha

Do you have any questions? Is anything unclear?

What is the direct experience of "awareness"? How do you know, that awareness/cosciousness is there?

Yes - The question you asked above. Not sure how to answer that. What is the Direct experience of awareness? > It is always there.
How do I know it is there? > hm.. how can "I" know.. there is no I to know it.

[Ghata]

Dear Dale,

yes, answering questions helps clearing up quite a bit. :-).

use to think that "I" was evolving - I would wonder why I and people like me are "getting" this and others are not "yet".
Then I saw that it was not me who decided to get it. This stuff just came. I did not decide it.
I saw that I did not really have a choice. To satisfy that question- this came - Consciousness is evolving and a personal I has nothing to do with it. This body is just a vehicle, it appears that Adele is doing it, but really it is nothing special - since I did not chose it. hahaha

Good that you saw that it had nothing to do with YOU that seeing happened!

For an explanation of what is happening the words came up, "Consciousness is evolving". It sounds great. It sounds like looking deeply into the workings of the universe. Thoughts love to create this kind of explanations. You will here this kind of words a lot in spiritual communities. This explanation doesn't explain anything though.

"Consciousness" - what is it? It is a label, a concept. Does this evolving consciousness exist? Have you seen it and did you see how it evolved?

You will encounter many things and there will be no explanation for them. You are entering the world of not-knowing. See if you can allow this not knowing to be there. Life is really wonder-full.

What is the Direct experience of awareness? > It is always there.
How do I know it is there? > hm.. how can "I" know.. there is no I to know it

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Haha, the I is used here in the conventional sense of communication, not to say that there is an I there that knows.

How do you know that you are aware of something?

Are you ready for some more questions?

Much love,
Ghata

[Dale Marie]

For an explanation of what is happening the words came up, "Consciousness is evolving"

"Consciousness" - what is it? It is a label, a concept. Does this evolving consciousness exist? Have you seen it and did you see how it evolved?

It is just a label - something the 'I" came up with to think it understands! haha
There is nothing going on that is specific - it is just going on.

You will encounter many things and there will be no explanation for them. You are entering the world of not-knowing. See if you can allow this not knowing to be there. Life is really wonder-full.

Yes - when the questions stop and allowing the not knowing - Life is amazing - without all the Labels and compartmentalizing! I could cry in gratefulness of the beauty, and see what is missed by wanting to label.

Are you ready for some more questions?

Yes

[Ghata]

Dear Dale,

Yes - when the questions stop and allowing the not knowing - Life is amazing - without all the Labels and compartmentalizing! I could cry in gratefulness of the beauty, and see what is missed by wanting to label.

awh...so beautiful.....

I am coming back to my last question:
]How do you know that you are aware of something? Or in perfect nondual language: how is it known that awareness is there?


And I have a little experiment for you:

Sit quietly and listen to the sounds coming in. You can also put on some music.

Thoughts will start to label sound: traffic, motorbyke, child, dog...

Go beyond those labels. What is sound when experiencing it directly?
Where is the sound? Inside? Outside?
Where is the border between inside and outside?
When experiencing sound directly, is there a hearer and the heard or just hearing?

Share what you find.

Much love,
Ghata

[Dale Marie]

How do you know that you are aware of something? Or in perfect nondual language: how is it known that awareness is there?

Awareness is a word. I would say, Something is observing Life. And it seem to come from the senses. Then thoughts arise to to label the experiences. Words and language are taught from the womb. This is this - that is that. Then a story is created through words that are spelled - Under the spell of words. I had a dream last night. I do not think physical senses were in evolved. It was an experience. I have heard though that the pineal gland receives images.

I will get back to you on the exercises

[Ghata]

Dear Dale,

Awareness is a word. I would say, Something is observing Life. And it seem to come from the senses.

just stay with what can be experienced directly with the senses.

How do you know you are aware of something?


Much love,
Ghata