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Re: Enough of pain
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:12 pm
by yuvi
i am so sorry, RB. i came to Germany for a meeting. Completely held up. My sincere apologies for that.
I see you are confident on how thoughts create this whole illusion of 'little me' that reside inside the body that is the center of all experiences. There is only seeing, hearing, tasting, sensing, smelling. Infact, even these words 'seeing, smelling, tasting, hearing, sensing' are just words that comes out of thoughts. In reality, there is just THIS EXPERIENCE. And what is aware of this experience? It is aware of itself.
Thoughts then comes into being separating experience into ‘seeing, hearing, sensing, etc.’. Then thought further divides seeing into seer, seeing and seen (similarly other aspects of experience).
Now you have seen that there is “no center” to experiences. There is JUST EXPERIENCE that is AWARE of ITSELF (some call this consciousness, awareness, bliss, love, one mind, brahman – it doesn’t matter how one wants to call it as long as that which is aware recognizes what it is not).
YOU are that dog, tree, car, mother, father (thought divides REAL YOU into a little 'you' and ‘dog, tree, car, mother, father’). YOU ARE EVERYTHING. Oneness is not a special experience, it is a simple recognition of what experience is “between two thoughts”. An undivided experience before thought starts labeling everything.
The "content of thoughts" are basically words that comes out of memories and conditioning. YOU (self-aware experience) are trained from the childhood to separate yourself from the experience through language. So words like "I am....." "He/She is....." "That is...." "My....." etc. makes "THE REAL YOU" to believe that there is a little entity called "RB” or “self” that resides inside the so called body (BODY is also a concept). This non-existing little "me" is further strengthened with years of identification to "I" thoughts. This is called "ego" or "self".
Now, in this dialogue, I merely asked the "REAL YOU" to carefully look out if this "little me" or 'self" or "ego" actually exists. Now THE REAL YOU recognized that the "little me" is nowhere to find and it is only only thoughts that continue to point towards it. "YOU", because of years of conditioning, forgot yourself and started identifying to a non-existing ego.
This is all there is.
Now, please LOOK into these pointers:
There is no RB. YOU exist, but whatever the thought points to as RB is not. So,
1. Is there something called freewill?
2. How are decisions made?
3. Is there an RB that controls body?
Use everyday events to see this from the new perspective. It will be an interesting exercise. Beware, thoughts do not like the REAL YOU seeing at its illusory nature. It tries to convince with all sorts of arguments to survive. But all there is is "experience of thought" of which there are contents that are reaction born out of conditioning.
Re: Enough of pain
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 2:51 pm
by Redbeard
Hello again yuvi! You travel a lot. Welcome back.
1. Is there something called freewill?
1. Things happen, breathing, walking, sitting in a chair, cooking. "Little me" explain and describe what happens, but in hindsight. A kind of after-construction. The thoughts cannot change what already happened. It may look like that “little me” make independent decisions. But it is an illusion. No, there is nothing that can be called free will. Everything is just experiences.
2. How are decisions made?
2. No one makes any decision. There is no one who can make some decisions. Things happen, that's all. Everything is as it is.
3. Is there an RB that controls body?
3. No. RB is a thought, a concept. RB cannot control the concept of "body". "Body" is a thought, a concept similar to “RB” and has no real existence in experiences of "THE REAL ME".
"THE REAL ME" are now seeing how "little me" in the past always won the battle against "THE REAL ME" on all sorts of clever ways. Always come up with intelligent arguments to solve the feeling of separate existence in life.
Re: Enough of pain
Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:27 pm
by yuvi
yes, RB. my job is like that. but i should've replied you, sorry to keep you waiting.
answering to your responses, you have looked nicely. I am happy on how we were able to work together. Great looking! Also, If looked closely, YOU - the self aware experience - cannot know the "concepts" of breathing, walking, sitting in a chair or cooking. It is the knowledge that was provided (thoughts that appears as a part of experience) that even tells you that YOU are alive. YOU have no way of knowing anything about the experience because you are it..... YOU are just WHAT IS.
I am gonna ask you six confirmatory questions as a part of LU guiding process. This will be shown to other guides who may ask further questions as they find fit. Please answer these six final questions from DE, honestly. Our intent is that you should see beyond any shred of doubt.
At the end of the day, it is YOU who should be certain how this illusion plays out.
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', 'ego' at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it right now.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
5) Please describe how deciding, intending, choosing and controlling events in Life happens. Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? What are you responsible for? Who is there to be responsible for anything? Please try to describe the process as best you can and include at least one example from your everyday life.
6) Anything to add?
Re: Enough of pain
Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 9:15 pm
by Redbeard
yes, RB. my job is like that. but i should've replied you, sorry to keep you waiting.
“I” was not waiting. "REAL ME” watched.
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', 'ego' at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
1. No "I" or "ego" can be found. No “I” to point to. The "REAL ME" can see the illusion of "I", feel how “I” worked and created a sense of separation. “REAL ME” can still feel a whiff of Redbeard's old perfume but can never be part of an "I" that in reality never existed.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it right now.
2. A separate self can only be there the illusion of an "I", "me" is present and taken for what is.
When the experience of (for example) driving a car is presence as "now I drive my car" are an thought taken it for reality. The thought seems convincing and nothing speaks to the contrary. But "I", "me" is not "REAL ME" and therefore will the thought also create a separation between what is and what is taken for what is. In reality is a thought not reality, not what is. Separation ceases when it is clearly seen that all there is - is "REAL ME".
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
3. This dialogue has changed much and still nothing. Before the dialogue was an idea and its contents. This thought was "Redbeard". Now seen thought as thought and the "REAL ME" can be seen as it is. Before the dialogue did "Redbeard" thought that it was possible to forcefully change things. This was stressful. Now look "REAL ME" on life with more calm. Life is more beautiful, more still. It is not necessary to change anything. In recent days, increasing the sense of calm. Things happen, and that's ok. A sense of space arises. A breathtaking sense of space in the brief moments.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
4. When "REAL ME” saw that the body was also a concept.
5) Please describe how deciding, intending, choosing and controlling events in Life happens. Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? What are you responsible for? Who is there to be responsible for anything? Please try to describe the process as best you can and include at least one example from your everyday life.
5. Stuff happens. When "I" are present so can thoughts believe that it can influence events. But when the "REAL ME" have seen that the "I" is a concept, an thought, it is clear that there is no one that can affect any action. "REAL ME" doing nothing and can do nothing and is not responsible for what happens. Things just happen. That’s all. Today trimmed fruit trees. Garden plot processed. Car running. Computer was used. Things happened but it was not "Redbeard" as did it. Before the dialogue, it would be so, but now it happened only.
6) Anything to add?
6. Word now is very strange to use. It is difficult to use any words. All words feels wrong and miss the present. The words really says nothing, but maybe they can point to something behind the words. “REAL ME” do not think so much more to say on these issues. Just have a feeling that the words are so clumsy tool.
Now, the rain beats against the window. The computer screen lit. Keys turned. Silence.
Re: Enough of pain
Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:43 am
by yuvi
It is nice to hear that there is peace, RB. A caution though: Thought may attach to the word Real Me and can develop new identification. Seeing through the separation is only a beginning. Conditioned habits and thought patterns takes a while to settle. We have dedicated LU Facebook groups to address post gate challenges or doubts. You can also write to me.
I will post your answers to LU guides for their feedback or questions. This may take some time, perhaps a day or two. Please wait until I write to you back.
Till then surrender to life and enjoy life (UPS and down) as it is and notice how thoughts clings or rejects experience. Recognizing that is enough to work through conditionings.
Re: Enough of pain
Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:39 am
by yuvi
Hi RB: I have a question from one of the guides..
"What is the Real Me in DE?"
Re: Enough of pain
Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:56 am
by Redbeard
Hi RB: I have a question from one of the guides..
"What is the Real Me in DE?"
It's hard to write a word and refer to something else that cannot be captured in words. The term "REAL ME" is taken from "Yuvi's dialogue. With the" REAL ME "means that which is when" I "is not. It is seeing in " DE ".
Re: Enough of pain
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:01 pm
by yuvi
Hi Red Beard, there is a question from one of the guides, please respond from DE:
Is there a personal individual hanging out in that term 'REAL ME', for example an enlightened or wiser person? Or is the term the same as saying, for example 'Life'? Is there any difference?
Re: Enough of pain
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:12 pm
by Redbeard
Is there a personal individual hanging out in that term 'REAL ME', for example an enlightened or wiser person? Or is the term the same as saying, for example 'Life'? Is there any difference?[
Maybe the "REAL ME" is a bad expression. No, No, No, it is nothing behind the "real me" as pointing to anything. No wiser person, no person at all. "REAL ME” is a blank expression that really makes no sense. The expression used in dialogue because another expression was not written. Perhaps is “life” better to use in dialogue.
Re: Enough of pain
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 1:25 am
by yuvi
Thanks RB. It is to look at thoughts for it can develop new identifications. I will let you know if my fellow guides have any further questions
Re: Enough of pain
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:28 am
by yuvi
Hi RB, i guess we are done here. Thanks for the conversation and i wish you a good life lived with a new perspective. An LU admin will get in touch with you, and then you will be added to relevant LU groups in FB.
Please send me a private message with your FB username. Do not share in this forum as this is in public view.
Best wishes,
Yuvi