Guidance please

[TheO]

Namaste Tanya 8),

Well I can see how that would be so :) But although painful without labelling it that is just a sensation like any other can you see that?

Yes I do

Excellent! Keep looking in this way. When we look in this way it brings much clarity and the separate self is seen for what it is...just a thought :)

8)

Can you find god? And how god controls the body… by remote control?

God is all that is.... you, me & all things seen, unseen, known and unknown.

About the control exercise..

You've stopped LOOKing and are Thinking.Looks like it's time to look at ownership and the body

Can you SEE god controlling the body?

No it is thought

And it's not 'your' or 'my' body. It's a body or the body.

Yes

Which is more true, "a" cup or "my" cup?
Look at the cup. What is it that makes it a "my" cup?

A cup is more true, "my" cup is believing we are separate which is false

Look at this statement:
'This body is mine'

Is this true? What makes it true?

Not true

If the body that appears is 'yours' then what is the owner?
Is there one here? Can it be found?

No

Or is this just a thought appearing that is believed in?
A thought appears 'I am this body'.

I believe the body is not mine but it is through this body the experience is had.

Is this anything more than a thought appearing that is believed in? (Or not believed in)?
If we say 'this body is mine' then we should be able to find the owner, the 'me' that the body belongs to.
Can the owner be found?

No

Is there an 'I' that experiences the body? Or is there just experiencing?

Just experiencing through use of the body

Please go through all these questions and answer ALL one-by-one.
Try to find the ‘I’ similarly as you would try to find Darth Vader.
--

TheO 8)

[tanyawilliams86]

Namaste TheO

Well I can see how that would be so :) But although painful without labelling it that is just a sensation like any other can you see that?

Yes I do

:) Great!

God is all that is.... you, me & all things seen, unseen, known and unknown.

Yes everything is one but can you find God in direct experience? I'm not saying God is not real just asking you to LOOK :)
Here is a little exercise. With eyes closed, put one of the hands onto the table. Pay attention only to the pure sensation.
Does the pure sensation itself suggest in any way that the hand is doing the touching?
Does the pure sensation itself suggest in any way that there is a hand (subject) that touching the table (object), or is there only touching?
When all mental images and thoughts are ignored is there a ‘hand’ or a ‘table’ at all, or is there only touching (pure sensation)?

Try this exercise as many times as needed. I found this one quite helpful pre-gating and still do it now.

You've stopped LOOKing and are Thinking.Looks like it's time to look at ownership and the body. Can you SEE god controlling the body?

No it is thought

Indeed! NO ONE owns the body or anything else :)
Here is an interesting exercise on the body.
With the eyes closed, sitting still, notice hearing, smelling, tasting, touching. With only the input from the senses, and without relying on thoughts or mental images:
Can it be known how tall the body is?
Does it have a weight or a volume of the body?
In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?
Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing?
Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?
Is there an inside or outside?
What is the body in the actual experience?

And it's not 'your' or 'my' body. It's a body or the body.

Yes

Excellent looking :) Sounds like you're getting very clear on this.

A cup is more true, "my" cup is believing we are separate which is false

Or is this just a thought appearing that is believed in?
A thought appears 'I am this body'.

I believe the body is not mine but it is through this body the experience is had.

Yes that's right the body is not mine and through this body it is possible to experience. Is there an experiencer or experience only. You are that experiencing can you see this?


Love Tanya

[TheO]

Greetings Tanya, 8)

Yes everything is one but can you find God in direct experience? I'm not saying God is not real just asking you to LOOK :)

Well it depends, to e God is all that is so every experience is God, all seen, touched, smelled, heard, felt, tasted, we are God experiencing God... Back to the question, no not directly as in something seperate, but directly in that all that is...

Here is a little exercise. With eyes closed, put one of the hands onto the table. Pay attention only to the pure sensation.
Does the pure sensation itself suggest in any way that the hand is doing the touching?
Does the pure sensation itself suggest in any way that there is a hand (subject) that touching the table (object), or is there only touching?

It seems there is only touching with eyes closed, when eyes are open a hand as the sensory devise is known to be where the pure sensation is experienced through.

When all mental images and thoughts are ignored is there a ‘hand’ or a ‘table’ at all, or is there only touching (pure sensation)?

Yes only pure sensation.

Try this exercise as many times as needed. I found this one quite helpful pre-gating and still do it now.

Indeed! NO ONE owns the body or anything else :)
Here is an interesting exercise on the body.
With the eyes closed, sitting still, notice hearing, smelling, tasting, touching. With only the input from the senses, and without relying on thoughts or mental images:
Can it be known how tall the body is?

No

Does it have a weight or a volume of the body?
In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?
Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing?
Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?
Is there an inside or outside?

No there is not it seems

What is the body in the actual experience?

It is not there, seems that it isonly limited through thoughts.

Excellent looking :) Sounds like you're getting very clear on this.

8)

"I believe the body is not mine but it is through this body the experience is had."

Yes that's right the body is not mine and through this body it is possible to experience. Is there an experiencer or experience only. You are that experiencing can you see this?

Yes I do 8)

Thank you & blessings,
TheO 8)

[tanyawilliams86]

Hi TheO,

Well it depends, to e God is all that is so every experience is God, all seen, touched, smelled, heard, felt, tasted, we are God experiencing God... Back to the question, no not directly as in something seperate, but directly in that all that is...

Is there any thing that is *not* God? I call that Life or What Is.

It seems there is only touching with eyes closed, when eyes are open a hand as the sensory devise is known to be where the pure sensation is experienced through.

:) When eyes are open does the hand feel solid,located somewhere or is there only pure sensation?

Yes only pure sensation.

Great! Keep looking at this as it will be clearer each time you look

Pay attention to the sensation of the hand.
Without referring to thoughts, is there any knowledge that this sensation is ‘me’?
Does it come with a ‘me’ label attached to it?
Does the sound of the wind come with a ‘not me’ label attached to it?
Are they both not just pure raw experiences?
No hand or wind let alone ‘me’ or ‘not me’?

No there is not it seems

'It seems' sounds like there is some doubt there which of course is just a thought. Is it clear to you that the body has no weight or volume, shape or form in actual experience, no boundaries, no inside or outside?

It is not there, seems that it is only limited through thoughts.

Are you saying that it does not exist? It does exist just not as you thought it did.

Yes I do 8)

So it is clear that there is no experiencer only experience?
Nothing separate? Just want to be really clear with this :)

Stand in front of a bigger mirror.

(1) First, close the eyes and feel the sensations in the body.
(2) Then open the eyes and look into the mirror, while still pay attention to the bodily sensations.
Is there any connection between the felt sensations in the body and the sight in the mirror?
Or just thoughts (and/or mental images) suggest that there is any?

(3) While still paying attention to the bodily sensations move one of the hands and observe the movement from the mirror.
Is there any connection between the felt sensations (in the hand) and sight of movement in the mirror?

(4) Now do the same movement with the hand, but this time look at the hand directly, not from the mirror.
Is there any connection between the felt sensations (in the hand) and sight of movement?
Or only thoughts suggest it?

(5) Now, pay attention only to the sight in the mirror.
Does the sight by itself suggest in any way that what is seen is ‘you’ or ‘your body’?

Does the sight itself suggest in any way that what is seen is a body at all?
Or there are only colours and shapes?

(6) Where the mirror ends, some parts of the body (probably legs) cannot be seen.
Just by the sight, is there any ‘knowledge’ that there must be legs, or only thoughts and mental images suggest it?

(7) Now turn away from the mirror and look forward (don’t look directly to any body parts).
Is there a body anywhere when all mental concepts and images are ignored, or there are only sensations?

(8) Start to walk slowly.
Is there a body walking anywhere, or there are only sensations?

Thank you & blessings,
TheO 8)

Thank you also TheO :) & blessings,
Tanya <3

[TheO]

Namaste Tanya 8)

Is there any thing that is *not* God? I call that Life or What Is.

I believe not

:) When eyes are open does the hand feel solid,located somewhere or is there only pure sensation?

pure sensation

Great! Keep looking at this as it will be clearer each time you look

Pay attention to the sensation of the hand.
Without referring to thoughts, is there any knowledge that this sensation is ‘me’?

No

Does it come with a ‘me’ label attached to it?

No

Does the sound of the wind come with a ‘not me’ label attached to it?

8) nope

Are they both not just pure raw experiences?

Yes but somehow the hand & body seem different than the wind in that there is direct control of the body

No hand or wind let alone ‘me’ or ‘not me’?

There is only experience, but the body is how we sense and have experience through yes?

'It seems' sounds like there is some doubt there which of course is just a thought. Is it clear to you that the body has no weight or volume, shape or form in actual experience, no boundaries, no inside or outside?

Yes

Are you saying that it does not exist? It does exist just not as you thought it did.

I can see this

So it is clear that there is no experiencer only experience?
Nothing separate? Just want to be really clear with this :)

Yes just experience

Stand in front of a bigger mirror.

(1) First, close the eyes and feel the sensations in the body.
(2) Then open the eyes and look into the mirror, while still pay attention to the bodily sensations.
Is there any connection between the felt sensations in the body and the sight in the mirror?
Or just thoughts (and/or mental images) suggest that there is any?

There seems to be no connection, just thoughts

(3) While still paying attention to the bodily sensations move one of the hands and observe the movement from the mirror.
Is there any connection between the felt sensations (in the hand) and sight of movement in the mirror?

No

(4) Now do the same movement with the hand, but this time look at the hand directly, not from the mirror.
Is there any connection between the felt sensations (in the hand) and sight of movement?
Or only thoughts suggest it?

Thoughts seem to suggest it

(5) Now, pay attention only to the sight in the mirror.
Does the sight by itself suggest in any way that what is seen is ‘you’ or ‘your body’?

The sight seems as the body is where I experience everything from

Does the sight itself suggest in any way that what is seen is a body at all?
Or there are only colours and shapes?

Colors and shapes

(6) Where the mirror ends, some parts of the body (probably legs) cannot be seen.
Just by the sight, is there any ‘knowledge’ that there must be legs, or only thoughts and mental images suggest it?

Only thoughts and images

(7) Now turn away from the mirror and look forward (don’t look directly to any body parts).
Is there a body anywhere when all mental concepts and images are ignored, or there are only sensations?

only sensations 8)

(8) Start to walk slowly.
Is there a body walking anywhere, or there are only sensations?

This is wild there is only sensations

Thank you also TheO :) & blessings,
Tanya <3

Enjoying your help,
TheO 8)

[tanyawilliams86]

Thoughts seem to suggest it

So by that you are saying there is no connection between the felt sensations and sight of movement?

The sight seems as the body is where I experience everything from

So seeing is believing? Is it really though? Does the body disappear from existence when you close your eyes?
Is there a hearer of sounds, or just hearing?
Is there a see-er of sights, or just seeing?
Is there a smeller of smells, or just smelling?
Is there a taster of tastes, or just tasting?
Is there a feeler of sensation, or just sensation?
Is there a thinker of thoughts or just thinking?
Is there an experiencer of experience (this life)...or just life?
Please go through these questions one-by-one. Not just think of them, but actually eat some food and taste it; so when about smelling, actually smell something (same with the other senses).

Colors and shapes

Yes :)

Only thoughts and images

So sight is not evidence of a solid body! Just as thoughts and images are not evidence of a separate self :)

This is wild there is only sensations

It is quite wild and unusual at first :) But so amazingly beautiful <3 This is another exercise worth repeating many times to help with a lifetime of conditioning.

Enjoying your help

You're most welcome! I'm enjoying guiding you. Thank you TheO

Love Tanya

[TheO]

Hi there 8),

So by that you are saying there is no connection between the felt sensations and sight of movement?

Yes

So seeing is believing? Is it really though?

Seeing helps but its more feeling is believing

Does the body disappear from existence when you close your eyes?

In thought no but in sensation yes.

Is there a hearer of sounds, or just hearing?

Hearing

Is there a see-er of sights, or just seeing?

Just seeing

Is there a smeller of smells, or just smelling?

Smelling

Is there a taster of tastes, or just tasting?

Tasting

Is there a feeler of sensation, or just sensation?

Just sensation

Is there a thinker of thoughts or just thinking?

Only thinking

Is there an experiencer of experience (this life)...or just life?

Just life & experience

Please go through these questions one-by-one. Not just think of them, but actually eat some food and taste it; so when about smelling, actually smell something (same with the other senses).

Only thoughts and images

So sight is not evidence of a solid body! Just as thoughts and images are not evidence of a separate self :)

This is wild there is only sensations

It is quite wild and unusual at first :) But so amazingly beautiful <3 This is another exercise worth repeating many times to help with a lifetime of conditioning.

Enjoying your help

You're most welcome! I'm enjoying guiding you. Thank you TheO

Love Tanya[/quote]

TheO 8)

[tanyawilliams86]

Hi TheO!

So by that you are saying there is no connection between the felt sensations and sight of movement?
Yes

Excellent :). Let’s talk about ‘reality’ then. We use the word ‘reality’ with direct pointing to distinguish the mental narrative, images and concepts from what is here and now in DE. To see, what is real and what is not. However, the word ‘reality’ suggests an objective 'thing', whereas we are referring to a relationship, actually a relating.
So, if we go a step further…
Can we say that there is an objective, independent reality?
If a tree falls in a forest but nobody (human or animal) is around to hear it, is there a sound?

Seeing helps but its more feeling is believing

Yes seeing can be helpful i.e to cross the road safely. But all it's just colours and shapes that don't say anything about what is. By feeling do you mean sensations or emotions?

In thought no but in sensation yes.

There is no separation between the so called subject and the object. All seeming separation created by thinking.
Saying that thoughts appear in awareness is separation. So thoughts can be observed from the distance (from the point of view of awareness). But there is no distance. There is zero distance between the appearing thought and the awareness of it. The thought itself is the awareness of it. They are the same. There is no subject-object relation.
Experience is not divided into a perceiving subject and a perceived object which are connected through an act of perceiving. There is only perceiving.
Can you see this?
You don’t have awareness! You’ve never had. You are just a thought. A thought cannot have awareness.
Can you see this?
Same as the body.
The body doesn’t have awareness. Quite the opposite. The body is being ‘awared’ / experienced.
Can you see this?

color=#000080]Is there a hearer of sounds, or just hearing?[/color]

Hearing

Is there a see-er of sights, or just seeing?

Just seeing

Is there a smeller of smells, or just smelling?

Smelling

Is there a taster of tastes, or just tasting?

Tasting

Is there a feeler of sensation, or just sensation?

Just sensation

Is there a thinker of thoughts or just thinking?

Only thinking

Great to notice that life just flows how it will :)

Is there an experiencer of experience (this life)...or just life?

Just life & experience

Aren't life and experience the same? Language can be very dualistic :)


Love Tanya

[TheO]

Hi Tanya 8)

Excellent :). Let’s talk about ‘reality’ then. We use the word ‘reality’ with direct pointing to distinguish the mental narrative, images and concepts from what is here and now in DE. To see, what is real and what is not. However, the word ‘reality’ suggests an objective 'thing', whereas we are referring to a relationship, actually a relating.
So, if we go a step further…
Can we say that there is an objective, independent reality?
If a tree falls in a forest but nobody (human or animal) is around to hear it, is there a sound?

I am not sure but I think so

Yes seeing can be helpful i.e to cross the road safely. But all it's just colours and shapes that don't say anything about what is. By feeling do you mean sensations or emotions?

Sensations

There is no separation between the so called subject and the object. All seeming separation created by thinking.
Saying that thoughts appear in awareness is separation. So thoughts can be observed from the distance (from the point of view of awareness). But there is no distance. There is zero distance between the appearing thought and the awareness of it. The thought itself is the awareness of it. They are the same. There is no subject-object relation.

Experience is not divided into a perceiving subject and a perceived object which are connected through an act of perceiving. There is only perceiving.
Can you see this?

Yes

You don’t have awareness! You’ve never had. You are just a thought. A thought cannot have awareness.
Can you see this?

Yes

Same as the body.
The body doesn’t have awareness. Quite the opposite. The body is being ‘awared’ / experienced.
Can you see this?

Yes I see

Great to notice that life just flows how it will :)

8)

Aren't life and experience the same? Language can be very dualistic :)

Yes they are the same. Also it is God (Source) that is the experiencer that is experiencing all that is (Itself)...


Love & Light & Blessings,
TheO 8)

[tanyawilliams86]

Hi TheO

Excellent :). Let’s talk about ‘reality’ then. We use the word ‘reality’ with direct pointing to distinguish the mental narrative, images and concepts from what is here and now in DE. To see, what is real and what is not. However, the word ‘reality’ suggests an objective 'thing', whereas we are referring to a relationship, actually a relating.
So, if we go a step further…
Can we say that there is an objective, independent reality?
If a tree falls in a forest but nobody (human or animal) is around to hear it, is there a sound?

I am not sure but I think so

Ok, what I was pointing at was that 'reality' isn't an objective,independent reality. There's an eternal library on the theory of what 'reality' is, but if reality is what you experience directly, then by their own definition, isn't reality simply what IS, here and now? Including the thought-story of what ISN'T here and now?

There is nothing but experience itself. Sight, sound, smell, taste, sensation AND thought, are labels that divide experience up into 'types' or categories for classification. Like a library that sorts stories by reference. That is how it is with experience. Experience is the library and thought is what sorts the library by reference, and then files under: Fiction and Non-Fiction. Non-Fiction is the stories that reference experience exactly as it is here and now, and Fiction is the stories that don't reference experience as it actually is at all, they only reference more story. This is how you check what section you seem to be in.So yes, even fiction (thoughts about what ISN'T here and now), is 'reality' - because 'reality' is just another name for 'experience' and experience is just another name for what IS. But when fiction is showing up, that is all it is, a story of fiction showing up. Simple as that. You know it like you know the cover of a book: plainly and at face value

What is and isn't real in this movie?
Can you see that similar movies are going on one after another almost always incessantly either about a past story or a future fantasy?
Can a 'me' be found outside of any abstract conceptual story, or the 'me' 'lives' only in these stories?

You don’t have awareness! You’ve never had. You are just a thought. A thought cannot have awareness.
Can you see this?

Yes

:) Great! Your seeing is becoming so clear! Bring as much of "TheO" to the fore within yourself and just sit with "TheO", the one that you have been for all these years - this "TheO" has served you so well and got you to here, and now, you want to say goodbye?
How does that feel? Please share

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Yes they are the same. Also it is God (Source) that is the experiencer that is experiencing all that is (Itself)...

So God is none other than what we are? All there is...is experience (God)
No experiencer...that implies a separate entity inside a control room which we've discovered there's not :)

When you're outside, let's say there are trees ahead. You look at the trees.

In this experience, of "looking at the trees", notice that directional sense of looking outwards, almost as if the looking was throwing attention out towards the tree, to grasp the tree, to know it as a "tree". Also notice the tension around the eyes when it feels like a looker is looking.

Now, take a moment to pause and we do another contrasting activity:

This time, rather than looking, the light is coming this way, received by the eyes.
There is no need for a looker, for the light is being received effortlessly by the eyes.
As this unfolds, relax the eyes even more, receive the light, without the need of a receiver.

Keeping halving the effort of the eyes, till there is no effort left - only receiving light. The light is un-named and un-labelled. As yet, no "trees", only light.

Sometimes, it can seem like the light travels straight through you.

Have a play, and share what shows up.

Love, Tanya

[TheO]

Hi Tanya,

Ok, what I was pointing at was that 'reality' isn't an objective,independent reality. There's an eternal library on the theory of what 'reality' is, but if reality is what you experience directly, then by their own definition, isn't reality simply what IS, here and now? Including the thought-story of what ISN'T here and now?

Yes

There is nothing but experience itself. Sight, sound, smell, taste, sensation AND thought, are labels that divide experience up into 'types' or categories for classification. Like a library that sorts stories by reference. That is how it is with experience. Experience is the library and thought is what sorts the library by reference, and then files under: Fiction and Non-Fiction. Non-Fiction is the stories that reference experience exactly as it is here and now, and Fiction is the stories that don't reference experience as it actually is at all, they only reference more story. This is how you check what section you seem to be in.So yes, even fiction (thoughts about what ISN'T here and now), is 'reality' - because 'reality' is just another name for 'experience' and experience is just another name for what IS. But when fiction is showing up, that is all it is, a story of fiction showing up. Simple as that. You know it like you know the cover of a book: plainly and at face value

What is and isn't real in this movie?
Can you see that similar movies are going on one after another almost always incessantly either about a past story or a future fantasy?

Yes

Can a 'me' be found outside of any abstract conceptual story, or the 'me' 'lives' only in these stories?

Not sure I understand... there is no me

:) Great! Your seeing is becoming so clear! Bring as much of "TheO" to the fore within yourself and just sit with "TheO", the one that you have been for all these years - this "TheO" has served you so well and got you to here, and now, you want to say goodbye?
How does that feel? Please share

I feel grateful for the journey so far....TheO was created to get me to where I am, its like being in the dark your whole life and never knowing what light is because you never knew anything but darkness. Then you see the light and you thank the darkness because without it you would not know the light,
It feels strange, but yet exciting and joyous. It feels so right to let go & be truly free. Feels as if it will take alot of deconstructing of "self" over time but that process has clearly begun, I already feel so much more alive knowing "TheO" was constructed over time to believe he was an separate individual and I see that... knowing all is one is pure energy, I feel a vibrational energy sensation and have new eyes, very excited to live in the now and continue to untangle and be free.... 8)

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Yes they are the same. Also it is God (Source) that is the experiencer that is experiencing all that is (Itself)...

So God is none other than what we are? All there is...is experience (God)
No experiencer...that implies a separate entity inside a control room which we've discovered there's not :)

Yes most definitely

When you're outside, let's say there are trees ahead. You look at the trees.

In this experience, of "looking at the trees", notice that directional sense of looking outwards, almost as if the looking was throwing attention out towards the tree, to grasp the tree, to know it as a "tree". Also notice the tension around the eyes when it feels like a looker is looking.

Now, take a moment to pause and we do another contrasting activity:

This time, rather than looking, the light is coming this way, received by the eyes.
There is no need for a looker, for the light is being received effortlessly by the eyes.
As this unfolds, relax the eyes even more, receive the light, without the need of a receiver.

Keeping halving the effort of the eyes, till there is no effort left - only receiving light. The light is un-named and un-labelled. As yet, no "trees", only light.

Sometimes, it can seem like the light travels straight through you.

Have a play, and share what shows up.

Not sure I followed the exercise correctly, but I felt more and more relaxed almost trance like, calming. I was just receiving light no thoughts.


Love & Light,
8)

[tanyawilliams86]

Hi TheO!

Can a 'me' be found outside of any abstract conceptual story, or the 'me' 'lives' only in these stories?
Not sure I understand... there is no me

Actually you understood very well :) So there is no doubt that there is no 'me', no 'separate self'?

Another thing to investigate is choice.
Investigate ‘decision making’ whatever ‘you’ do today.
Describe in detail a decision of a small event, for example getting up.
Can a decision maker be found making the body leave the bed?
Where does the "decision", the "command" to get up comes from?
What makes the body get up, is there a ‘you’, or a decider that commands the body?
When lying there, shout 'GET UP' internally as loudly as you can. Does that affect the outcome?
How does the decision happen?
Does a decider come in and take over, weighing pros and cons, looking at possible consequences?
Or does getting up just happen, or not, as part of the flow of life?

I feel grateful for the journey so far....TheO was created to get me to where I am, its like being in the dark your whole life and never knowing what light is because you never knew anything but darkness. Then you see the light and you thank the darkness because without it you would not know the light,
It feels strange, but yet exciting and joyous. It feels so right to let go & be truly free. Feels as if it will take alot of deconstructing of "self" over time but that process has clearly begun, I already feel so much more alive knowing "TheO" was constructed over time to believe he was an separate individual and I see that... knowing all is one is pure energy, I feel a vibrational energy sensation and have new eyes, very excited to live in the now and continue to untangle and be free.... 8)

Wonderful! A lot drops away seeing this and I will be available to talk about anything :) You are gone. At least as the idea of "TheO" as the centre of "TheO's" universe. its a nice exercise to experience our nature - to see fully that an idea of the "sky" is not the sky, an idea of an "eagle" is not an eagle, and an idea of "TheO" is not you.

When you're outside, let's say there are trees ahead. You look at the trees.

In this experience, of "looking at the trees", notice that directional sense of looking outwards, almost as if the looking was throwing attention out towards the tree, to grasp the tree, to know it as a "tree". Also notice the tension around the eyes when it feels like a looker is looking.

Now, take a moment to pause and we do another contrasting activity:

This time, rather than looking, the light is coming this way, received by the eyes.
There is no need for a looker, for the light is being received effortlessly by the eyes.
As this unfolds, relax the eyes even more, receive the light, without the need of a receiver.

Keeping halving the effort of the eyes, till there is no effort left - only receiving light. The light is un-named and un-labelled. As yet, no "trees", only light.

Sometimes, it can seem like the light travels straight through you.

Have a play, and share what shows up.

Not sure I followed the exercise correctly, but I felt more and more relaxed almost trance like, calming. I was just receiving light no thoughts.

Sounds like you followed it just fine :) Not-knowing is really a not-needing-to-know in the way mind knows/labels/assigns.
There is inherent knowing, and that knowing is its own reward.

Another area of investigation is 'others'.
Let’s explore a little bit what ‘others’ are.
What are others in the actual experience?
Are there others independently from ‘my’ interpretation?



Love & Light,
Tanya

[TheO]

Namaste Tanya, 8)

Actually you understood very well :) So there is no doubt that there is no 'me', no 'separate self'?

Yes understood

Another thing to investigate is choice.
Investigate ‘decision making’ whatever ‘you’ do today.
Describe in detail a decision of a small event, for example getting up.
Can a decision maker be found making the body leave the bed?

No it seems automatic and spontaneous

Where does the "decision", the "command" to get up comes from?
What makes the body get up, is there a ‘you’, or a decider that commands the body?

No feels like it is just happening

When lying there, shout 'GET UP' internally as loudly as you can. Does that affect the outcome?
How does the decision happen?
Does a decider come in and take over, weighing pros and cons, looking at possible consequences?
Or does getting up just happen, or not, as part of the flow of life?

seems random with no decider...

Wonderful! A lot drops away seeing this and I will be available to talk about anything :) You are gone. At least as the idea of "TheO" as the centre of "TheO's" universe. its a nice exercise to experience our nature - to see fully that an idea of the "sky" is not the sky, an idea of an "eagle" is not an eagle, and an idea of "TheO" is not you.

Yes it is, joyfully tearing 8)

Sounds like you followed it just fine :) Not-knowing is really a not-needing-to-know in the way mind knows/labels/assigns.
There is inherent knowing, and that knowing is its own reward.

Another area of investigation is 'others'.
Let’s explore a little bit what ‘others’ are.
What are others in the actual experience?
Are there others independently from ‘my’ interpretation?

To me others are all that is experiencing all that is... they are experience, we are all one in the same including all of all, divided by experience combined as life (God)....

Love & Light,
Tanya

Much Love,
8) NoOne

[tanyawilliams86]

Namaste TheO,

Actually you understood very well :) So there is no doubt that there is no 'me', no 'separate self'?

Yes understood

Excellent!!! So excited for this :)

Another thing to investigate is choice.
Investigate ‘decision making’ whatever ‘you’ do today.
Describe in detail a decision of a small event, for example getting up.
Can a decision maker be found making the body leave the bed?

No it seems automatic and spontaneous

Yes, no decision maker was ever there :)

Where does the "decision", the "command" to get up comes from?
What makes the body get up, is there a ‘you’, or a decider that commands the body?

No feels like it is just happening

Indeed! Could the same be said for 'intention','free will','choice',or 'control'?

When lying there, shout 'GET UP' internally as loudly as you can. Does that affect the outcome?
How does the decision happen?
Does a decider come in and take over, weighing pros and cons, looking at possible consequences?
Or does getting up just happen, or not, as part of the flow of life?

seems random with no decider...

*SEEMS* random with no decider or is random with no decider?
Did you decide to like chocolate?
Did you decide your favourite colour?
Did you decide what foods you like or dislike?

Wonderful! A lot drops away seeing this and I will be available to talk about anything :) You are gone. At least as the idea of "TheO" as the centre of "TheO's" universe. its a nice exercise to experience our nature - to see fully that an idea of the "sky" is not the sky, an idea of an "eagle" is not an eagle, and an idea of "TheO" is not you.

Yes it is, joyfully tearing 8)

That's so beautiful <3

There is inherent knowing, and that knowing is its own reward.

Yes :) There's no hard work that is to be 'done' to know that's what in my opinion is so amazing about investigating this. When thought is not the authority it may have seemed there is much freedom, but has it ever not been this way?

Another area of investigation is 'others'.
Let’s explore a little bit what ‘others’ are.
What are others in the actual experience?
Are there others independently from ‘my’ interpretation?

To me others are all that is experiencing all that is... they are experience, we are all one in the same including all of all, divided by experience combined as life (God)....

So, if I understand you correctly you're saying there is no separation whatsoever. If that is the case from direct experience what can be said about 'others'?
When you touch 'others' is there a dividing line between you and the 'other' or just one sensation?
'Divided by experience combined by life' How can experience be divided? Isn't that saying that there is direct experience and non direct experience?

As you have no doubts that you've seen there's no separate self there's 6 final questions to ask if you feel absolutely clear about seeing this :)

Love Tanya

[TheO]

Hello Tanya 8) ,

Excellent!!! So excited for this :)

Me too 8)

Where does the "decision", the "command" to get up comes from?
What makes the body get up, is there a ‘you’, or a decider that commands the body?

No feels like it is just happening

Indeed! Could the same be said for 'intention','free will','choice',or 'control'?

yes life happens, all is free

seems random with no decider...

*SEEMS* random with no decider or is random with no decider?

Yes 8) is random

Did you decide to like chocolate?
Did you decide your favourite colour?
Did you decide what foods you like or dislike?

No there is no separate me to decide

Yes it is, joyfully tearing 8)
That's so beautiful <3

BIG 8) !!!!!!

There is inherent knowing, and that knowing is its own reward.
Yes :) There's no hard work that is to be 'done' to know that's what in my opinion is so amazing about investigating this. When thought is not the authority it may have seemed there is much freedom, but has it ever not been this way?

No it has always been, the ego just got in the way

To me others are all that is experiencing all that is... they are experience, we are all one in the same including all of all, divided by experience combined as life (God)....
So, if I understand you correctly you're saying there is no separation whatsoever. If that is the case from direct experience what can be said about 'others'?

Truly there are no "others" there is no separation

When you touch 'others' is there a dividing line between you and the 'other' or just one sensation?

One sensation

'Divided by experience combined by life' How can experience be divided? Isn't that saying that there is direct experience and non direct experience?

True there is no division

As you have no doubts that you've seen there's no separate self there's 6 final questions to ask if you feel absolutely clear about seeing this :)

Yes please... 8)

Love & Light ,
8)