HI I'm looking for a guide preferably from Triratna

[Mad biker]

Fine.
iphone is fine for today (but I normally ban it because usually I want you to sit down in front of your screen for us to meet more 'formally' with no residual distractions in a room with no other humans but pets are fine! I will be using iphone in Spain (but so will you occasionally after you become a guide BECAUSE IT'S 'OK' THEN!!!))
Mb

[DaveP123]

In answer to the question about awareness of seeing
There was just awareness with felt sensation of physical body and the seeing of the object
Sangharaja

[Mad biker]

Ok just settle there in front of your (ahem) iphone, relatively upright with those sitting bones feeling their way into the seat as each breath deepens. Not looking for any degree of deep absorption here at all, just basic relative presence is all you will need.

However relaxation is a central element here. 'Relaxation' is often overlooked as though it were a routine cinema, or airline announcement, however relaxation, that simple instruction, is perhaps the central core gestalt of the Tantra, without which little progress is made. As with mindfulness you do not need a lot, you just need to know that a spot of it is required that's all.

Taste: There is not always a discernable taste in your mouth. If it is absent, then go off now and get one by eating or drinking something even a crisp or a mouthful of something other than water. You will have a residual mild taste of flavoured acids etc in your mouth for a good 20 minutes after eating anything and that is all we need here.

Is there a taster? Or is there just taste itself?
Mb

[DaveP123]

So jus taste and sensation of inside of mouth
On looking for the taster found there wasn't
Also an expansiveness of silence
Sangharaja
Nice

[Mad biker]

Lovely observation there.

I now want to ask you to look at thoughts:

When a thought ends, disappears, leaves, goes etc, where does it 'go' to?

Mb

[DaveP123]

Thoughts evaporates, leaves, etc back into the space from where it came.

[Mad biker]

Take a few nice breaths there.

Where do thoughts come from?

Just notice the next one arising now.

Where did it come from?

Mb

[DaveP123]

Didn't come from any where
Just arrived

[Mad biker]

Yay!

They don't come from anywhere they just arrive!

Lovely stuff, this is good.

Sleep well. I will be back tomorrow from Stanstead or Alicante or some Spanish Locoturio.
Mb

[DaveP123]

This is so rewarding that was quite something to see thought arising out of (and back into nowhere)
I woke in the night and gradually saw that all the phenomena when looked at arrive and go out of this deeper silence.
It was as if they didn't exist until I was aware of them just coming and going,Fantastic.
I was talking to my wife who is also a buddhist, and she mentioned the deity Sahaja meaning "spontaneous, natural, simple, or easy. Apparently the main meditational deity of the Tantra. Interesting
Anyway have a good journey to the sun and hope to hear from you soon out of the silence
Sangharaja

[Mad biker]

Still no decent keyboard as yet. Back later or tomorrow amigo. Really nice stuff by the way! Mb

[Mad biker]

Each of my usual four local Ciber caffs have gone out of business amigo so a bit of a bumper edition from me of stock pointers I would have issued one by one. Just do them one by one over three days or so and respond seperately. No harm in reading ahead if you want to.

Simply sit quietly and pay close attention to your thoughts for 20 minutes. Notice that thoughts seem to pop out of nowhere and have no obvious cause. They are a total surprise and you can find no cause or reason for their appearance. It should be obvious you were not involved in any way in the creation of these thoughts.

Do you ever have unpleasant thoughts? do you want to have them? If you had any control over thoughts, don’t you think you would choose not to think such thoughts all? Wouldn’t you be able to choose never to have thoughts that seem to make you unhappy?

Observe a thought. Notice that you didn’t actually do anything in order to make that thought appear. Notice also that when a thought appears, you are never given an option to avoid that thought. Every thought appears spontaneously without anyone’s permission.


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Hold your hand a few inches above your leg. Say to yourself, "I'm going to tap my leg sometime in the next 30 seconds." Watch to see what heppens. Also observe whether or not thinking "Tap now!" has any effect. Notice exactly what happens when the hand does tap the leg (or if it doesn't).

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When you point anywhere in the world you point at appearances. You are distant from what you are looking at and you see things, you see objects. Observe this – direct your attention at things by pointing at them.

For example, I can see the shapes and colours of this room…

of my foot...

...of my knee

of my chest...

In all these instances attention is directed outwards, at objects.

Now point where others see your face.

What do you see? You are now looking inwards – turning the direction of your attention round 180˚ from the objects out there to you the Subject, to the place you (think?) are looking out of. Do you see your face? Do you see anything at all there - any colour or shape, any movement?

Looking in to the place where others see your face, do you find colour or shape here.

What do you find?

Then..Take it further: Point with one index finger outwards at the world, and with your other index finger point inwards towards where you used to think your face was. Describe as fully as you can what the experience is like.
Mb

[DaveP123]

Notice that thoughts seem to pop out of nowhere and have no obvious cause. They are a total surprise and you can find no cause or reason for their appearance. It should be obvious you were not involved in any way in the creation of these thoughts.

I have been doing this most of the day taking time out to sit quietly or paying attention while doing.
The thoughts are coming out of no where.
After feeling a bit panicky that I actually were not in control of my thoughts and asking "then who the hell is"
saw these again were just thoughts backed by a belief.
I am not involved in the creation of these thoughts.

Yes I have unpleasant thoughts, I had one today against another cyclist and really built it up to a whole series . I then had another thought about not having these horrible thoughts. I then asked what this was happening too and fell about laughing as I realised I had no control and it felt a relief not to have to control these thoughts.
As you can see I have tried to control them and it aint worked.

Observe a thought. Notice that you didn’t actually do anything in order to make that thought appear. Notice also that when a thought appears, you are never given an option to avoid that thought. Every thought appears spontaneously without anyone’s permission.

Any desire to control the thought comes after the thought.
I can't see the next thought coming so can't stop it.

I just can't control them,no one is controlling them.
Yet every now and then I so want to control them, especially a thought that is unpleasant.
I see through that wanting to control the thought
then another thought comes through saying that makes me a bad person.
This too is another thought I dont want , but see it as not real
and find peace.
Sangharaja

[DaveP123]

Hold your hand a few inches above your leg. Say to yourself, "I'm going to tap my leg sometime in the next 30 seconds." Watch to see what heppens. Also observe whether or not thinking "Tap now!" has any effect. Notice exactly what happens when the hand does tap the leg (or if it doesn't).

Tricky, had to look closely at this one. When I dropped the hand I thought I had made the decision and was convinced there was a me , but then I saw that was just a thought that had no basis in a solid me.
Certainly see that when I do things the I hijacks it and owns it, yet on continual looking there is no self to support the I belief.

[DaveP123]

What do you see? You are now looking inwards – turning the direction of your attention round 180˚ from the objects out there to you the Subject, to the place you (think?) are looking out of. Do you see your face? Do you see anything at all there - any colour or shape, any movement?

Looking in to the place where others see your face, do you find colour or shape here.

What do you find?

I couldn't see any thing

Then..Take it further: Point with one index finger outwards at the world, and with your other index finger point inwards towards where you used to think your face was. Describe as fully as you can what the experience is like.

I see the object and then feel the sensations of the face around the eye sockets , cheek area and sensation above the eyes.
At first my attention is flicking back and forth , object and then face sensations
also an increasin awareness of a lack of sensation at the socket area where I see through to the outside world.
Then its as if the sensations are together the visual sensation of the objects and the sensation of face around the eye sockets
seems as though there is no difference. They are just there together.
Lovely moment
sangharaja