Who is writing this thing?

[Alexw]

There is "being aware" = "knowing" of experience.
Experience can not experience itself, just like the eye can not see itself.
Also, for there to be "experiencING", there would have to be something doing the experiencing, and there needs to be time in which to do the experiencing. All you know is that there is experience ('sight', 'sound', 'smell', 'sensation', 'taste', and 'thought'). Experience is simply known. It is never experienced.

The dream does not experience the dream - the dream is the experience knowing itself (this is what I meant with "self aware experience").

Anyway, I think we are pretty much talking about the same stuff - just different ways of putting it into words.

Would you like to join the LU groups on Facebook? There are many great people there you can discuss things if you feel like it. If so I would ask three other guides to have a look at our discussion - they will simply confirm or maybe ask another few questions...

[Nameless1995]

There is "being aware" = "knowing" of experience.
Experience can not experience itself, just like the eye can not see itself.
Also, for there to be "experiencING", there would have to be something doing the experiencing, and there needs to be time in which to do the experiencing. All you know is that there is experience ('sight', 'sound', 'smell', 'sensation', 'taste', and 'thought'). Experience is simply known. It is never experienced.

The dream does not experience the dream - the dream is the experience knowing itself (this is what I meant with "self aware experience").

Anyway, I think we are pretty much talking about the same stuff - just different ways of putting it into words.

Would you like to join the LU groups on Facebook? There are many great people there you can discuss things if you feel like it. If so I would ask three other guides to have a look at our discussion - they will simply confirm or maybe ask another few questions...

Yeah, we are saying the same thing in different ways.
How can I join?

[Alexw]

Ok, I will check with some other guides and come back to you.

[Alexw]

There are some final questions - please have a go at them. They are the 'standard' questions after a guiding process:

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.

6) Anything to add?

[Alexw]

Ah, there is a new version of Q5, so please answer this one, not the one above:
Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

[Nameless1995]

There are some final questions - please have a go at them. They are the 'standard' questions after a guiding process:

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.

6) Anything to add?

1)Separate from what? Experience? No since its a part of experience not something separate from it.

2)Information gets sorted by the mind to make the story of self in the experience.
Thoughts, feelings, perceptions, there is not really exactly one entity governing them.
All neurons are working individually but they are highly interconnected.
The self is like a society. Where is society? Who is society? There is no entity or spirit of society, but society is form ed by the collection of different independent people and all.
Thoughts, feelings, perceptions all are in flux, there is no permanent essence or core.
5 years before me and 5 years after me is completely different both mentally and physically, where is any permanent personal identity in this?
A hit in the brain, and personality can get messed.
The brain is so complex, the information is so connected, everything measured in causal terms, compared with past experiences and familiar concepts, they are too interconnected and give rise to an illusion that there is someone behind it, a CEO who is governing all these. But there is no absolute centre just like an university, there is no absolute center to call it as an university.
The mind lies all the time to maintain a picture that it is sane and coherent and rational.
In cases of split brain patients, they go get a coke as the right brain was shown a picture of coke, but when asked, it is left brain's job to explain but the left brain don't know why so it lies and the one don't even realize.
We are doing similar stuffs all the time.
The root cause identification. The thought I comes first and it starts to identify itself with other thoughts and all other feelings. But thoughts come and go. feelings come and go. There is no connection no centre. And the thougt 'i' is just another thought which disappears and changes and come and go.
How I see it, no one sees anything now, things are just happening. There is only experience. Thought rises. Typing happens and blah blah blah.

3)All there is, is a memory of seeing it. How does it felt? Nothing. Exactly void of anything. As there was no identification with the processes going on. Difference? No difference. There is no strong sense of self in here for long enough. It is same empty silent void with unalterable peace.

4)I don't remember. I doubt my memory is distorted. I guess I had glimpses time to time. May be at that time I just looked, or may be I was thinking about time, creation, infinite regression, too much to blow my mind and with it the self and then I looked. Well wasn't I in that state all the time for the past few years after birth? It is return to my original state.

6) *silence*

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

There is will. Will rise and will fall. What is there for this will to be in bondage,
what is there for this will to be free?
Decision is clash of thoughts. The strongest thought backuped by feelings or logic or both win. Mechanical process. A lot of decisions are already made by the unconscious mind.
In an experiment it was found that the unconscious portion of the mind makes the decision 6 seconds before the conscious mind is conscious of it.
I looked at bed, and a thought rose up telling me to kick it. Just some random junk presented to the consciousness. But the thought lacked support of will, so another thought came up as the mind was under contemplation and started to question the thought, why the thought came up, who brought it up? Whoever brings it up, there is no me in this process,
it just happens.
I felt thirsty, went to drink water right now, and I walked, but did I walk, I was not giving any effort, my attention was fed to thoughts, but the walking happened, drinking happened.
A lot of works are again just reflexive, just reflex, I do it, but don't know why, because I don't do it, it is done, done by noone, just done.
What are 'you' responsible for?
Who?
Life happens. things just happen and it is backed by complex cause and effect things and with the inconcievable beginningless beginning and stuff, it is impossible to say anything.
Things just are things just happen. Just life doing it things. Life is flux.
From the flux from the criss crossing of life forces I rose up, and from the criss crossing I dissolved in it again.
Things just happen. Everyone moment is a miracle.

[Alexw]

There is a question from another guide:
Your answer to Q1: "Separate from what? Experience? No since its a part of experience not something separate from it."
Does that mean that in your experience there is an entity that is not separated from experience, that is a part of the all?

Is there more "out there" to find - do you have to go further? Or are you "done"? Is there still seeking?

[Nameless1995]

There is a question from another guide:
Your answer to Q1: "Separate from what? Experience? No since its a part of experience not something separate from it."
Does that mean that in your experience there is an entity that is not separated from experience, that is a part of the all?

Is there more "out there" to find - do you have to go further? Or are you "done"? Is there still seeking?

Not an entity but a story of an entity.
It is a game of conception, the mind can conceptually divide the ONE experience into bits and pieces and term one thing as a computer, one as a fan and create a story of a CEO behind some specific collective exeriences of thoughts, feelings, and the actions of a part of visible human body and call is an 'I'. The mind can unity it, see is as one.
But both are games of concepts, there is no fundament to do any such things. There is just experience.

The mind is not even correctly proccessing the story of the 'entity' anymore for some months.

Out from where? What is outside experience?
Who is going to go further?
Who is done?
Yes there is still seeking, like seeking of some good budget android phone.

Who can be done? Who is there to be done?
In a dreamless slumber, is there anyone to be done, or to not be done?

In a dream one may have done the homework, and one may wake wake up to find the one has not done the homework.

The mind may get wounded and lose its memories and start seeking again, might start making a story of self again.
What can be gained can be lost.

Further from what? Where. The thoughts and mind just go on, just there is not the thought of indentification.

There is no one to be done or not done.

Asking the question is personification.

[Alexw]

One more question:
You say: "There is just experience."

Can you please describe experience - how is THIS seen in direct experience?
What is going on right here and right now? Please report from DE only - no concepts, no story, just DE.

[Nameless1995]

One more question:
You say: "There is just experience."

Can you please describe experience - how is THIS seen in direct experience?
What is going on right here and right now? Please report from DE only - no concepts, no story, just DE.

"Are you asking, how is experience seen in direct experience?"
This question is weird. In direct experience, direct experience is going on.

If you tell me to use no story no concepts, then I have to be silent, as everything in language is either some concepts or representation. Language does not describe anything, it names things, divides things, conceptualizes stuff.

What is experience, experience is just awareness, the whole world under perception, its the experience,
the direct experience itself is experience. Now I am not proposing that there is nothing outside perception or there is.

What going on right now, just life...or whatever...it cant be named or expressed without conceptualizations.

[Alexw]

Yes, you are right, as soon as this experience is put into words there are concepts.
When you look at a tree there is the concept "tree" which can be divided into smaller concepts etc etc.
Where do you end up..? Green? Sure green is a word used to describe a colour, but can you go further or is Green = Seeing? Can green and you (as the knowing of green) be separated?
This is in a way where I was pointing to...

[Nameless1995]

Yes, you are right, as soon as this experience is put into words there are concepts.
When you look at a tree there is the concept "tree" which can be divided into smaller concepts etc etc.
Where do you end up..? Green? Sure green is a word used to describe a colour, but can you go further or is Green = Seeing? Can green and you(as the knowing of green) be separated?
This is in a way where I was pointing to...

Green can be experienced without the concept of green.
Green cannot come up in the subjective world, without the awareness of green, or knowing of green if that is what you meant by knowing,
therefore knowing of green and green is inseparable.

[Alexw]

Lets do it even less complicated... How would you describe This, this experience of this moment, to a small kid? How would you point to it?


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[Nameless1995]

Lets do it even less complicated... How would you describe This, this experience of this moment, to a small kid? How would you point to it?


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You are asking me to describe the indescribable.
Beingness, presence, life, am-ness is that what are you asking for?
A moment is beyond description.

[Alexw]

No, just simply this experience. Normally one could say: I am the center of this experience. I feel my body as a certain buzzing sensation, I see cars, trees and hear birds singing... Etc... This is a description of this when seen through the filter of "I" as subject vs objects... What do you see?


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