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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby Tessa » Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:03 pm

Hi Sarah,

PS! I have only answered a couple of your questions tonight. It has been a very busy day, and I will continue tomorrow.
Look over this statement. What has searched? What wants? What will probably always want? AND what is bothered by any of this? What sees thoughts as the problem? Where is that I? Is there one there? Can it be found
There has been a driving energy fuelled by thoughts, beliefs and emotions. And a strong "sense of I" as the seeker.
Looking at the statement now, I find I cannot say "there was no I" without feeling I am just parroting another belief of the "I". It is easier to see that thoughts are just thoughts, emotions are emotions, and there is no "I" when looking at what is occurring here and now. The statement referred to is the story of "I".
When are you NOT in the moment?
Look at the labeling here – obsessive. That implies a controller – where is the obsessive thinker? That also implies a controller and creator of thought? Where is the creator of thoughts? Look for that I. Can you find it anywhere?
Yes, I can see that the label "obsessive" implies a controller. It is clear that there is no "I" controller of thoughts in this, and the "I" in these cases are more thoughts about stopping all the thoughts. I guess it is really only hectic and repetitive thought activity. Like a computer virus :) And the thoughts are happening in the moment.

Love, Tove

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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby Tessa » Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:24 am

Hi Sarah,

Here are my replies in addtion to the ones I sent last night.
What brings the word suffering into play? What suffers? Are thoughts yours – look before you answer that. Did ‘you’ bring the suffering thoughts? Did you label them or did thought label them? See the paradox of blame for something that is beyond your control! In fact, over what do you have control? Are thoughts the enemy? What would make them the enemy?
Suffering is a label put on certain combinations of thoughts/ thought patterns, emotions and physical symptoms.
When I LOOK I cannot find the sufferer, but there seems to be a very strong "habit" to take suffering as personal (happening to "I"). This is so habitual that it is only when I am really looking hard that it can be seen that this is not happening to "I". I notice something happening to my breathing when I am looking hard at this. Label: Apprehensions/ mild fear. I see the paradox of blaming for something that is beyond control. Looking at thoughts I can see that they are not the enemy, but habitual thoughts about thoughts are seen . Thoughts wanting to change thoughts, thoughts about wanting to get rid of thoughts. Thoughts about other thoughts being the enemy.
Is that ownership of those thoughts and story that brings heaviness? Look carefully and deeply for that ownership.
Yes, I think it is the ownership that brings heaviness. As I said earlier on in this mail, the ownership and the thoughts seem so "entwined" that I really have to look hard to see it. It feels "sticky". I don't know how to express this very clearly. It is almost like a feeling of prying something apart when I look at suffering and ownership of suffering.

Love, Tove

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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby Sarah7 » Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:36 pm

Hi Tove
Some fabulous observations here!
There has been a driving energy fuelled by thoughts, beliefs and emotions. And a strong "sense of I" as the seeker.
Looking at the statement now, I find I cannot say "there was no I" without feeling I am just parroting another belief of the "I". It is easier to see that thoughts are just thoughts, emotions are emotions, and there is no "I" when looking at what is occurring here and now. The statement referred to is the story of "I".
Lets look at what stops you saying there is no I here? Is it thought, feeling, emotion, sensation or a combination of all? Look very carefully.
Suffering is a label put on certain combinations of thoughts/ thought patterns, emotions and physical symptoms.
Can you see/find the space behind the suffering that watches? When suffering happens – is it labeled after or during…..or is there something behind that knows its happening but isn’t bothered by it?
When I LOOK I cannot find the sufferer, but there seems to be a very strong "habit" to take suffering as personal (happening to "I"). This is so habitual that it is only when I am really looking hard that it can be seen that this is not happening to "I". I notice something happening to my breathing when I am looking hard at this. Label: Apprehensions/ mild fear. I see the paradox of blaming for something that is beyond control. Looking at thoughts I can see that they are not the enemy, but habitual thoughts about thoughts are seen . Thoughts wanting to change thoughts, thoughts about wanting to get rid of thoughts. Thoughts about other thoughts being the enemy.
Yes! Habit is a big player! Are you still smiling or laughing when seen? Both good for habit!
As I said earlier if fear pops up please let me know and we can look at it together.
Yes, I think it is the ownership that brings heaviness. As I said earlier on in this mail, the ownership and the thoughts seem so "entwined" that I really have to look hard to see it. It feels "sticky". I don't know how to express this very clearly. It is almost like a feeling of prying something apart when I look at suffering and ownership of suffering.
Yes! Sticky is a very good way of explaining it. Onion layers!
This may feel like you are going round in circles(spot story!) – but now look for that ownership. Look for the I that has claimed that suffering.
Im away for the weekend Tove – I will pick up any answers on Sunday. OK.
Much Love Sarah xx
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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby Tessa » Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:38 am

Hi Sarah,

I hope you have had a good weekend!
Lets look at what stops you saying there is no I here? Is it thought, feeling, emotion, sensation or a combination of all? Look very carefully.
Hmmmm…. What (surprisingly) comes up is that what stops me saying anything about the “I” is that the statement/ story is not real/has no reality. It is a statement created and written based mainly on thought. I cannot discern any feeling, emotion or sensation connected to it. I can say that there is no “I” in it because it is just a collection of thoughts and beliefs (about what apparently happened in the past), and that is from looking at it NOW.
I have tried to look “back”, i.e. “was there an”I” seeking?” and I cannot find one in this story. But, there are thoughts about listening, seeking, longing, frustration etc. It is all thought, and no “I” :).
Can you see/find the space behind the suffering that watches? When suffering happens – is it labeled after or during…..or is there something behind that knows its happening but isn’t bothered by it?
Yes, I can see the space behind that watches, but often the “noise” of the suffering (thoughts, emotions) seems to drown it. I do, however, know it is there.
I think suffering is labelled during. And, yes, there is something behind that isn’t bothered. And something in the middle that is irritated by it :). That’s thought again, thinking that it’s nonsense and it (suffering) ought to stop.
Yes! Habit is a big player! Are you still smiling or laughing when seen? Both good for habit!
As I said earlier if fear pops up please let me know and we can look at it together.
Yes, there have been some smiles and laughs this weekend :).
No feelings of fear at the moment. I will let you know if it comes up.
This may feel like you are going round in circles(spot story!) – but now look for that ownership. Look for the I that has claimed that suffering.
Yes, I have been feeling like going round in circles….. The last few days thoughts / emotions seem to be accelerating on certain well worn topics. And then thoughts about being fed up with thinking about these things come. Endless circles. I keep looking for the “I” – which cannot be found, but at the same time seems quite active in the “I don’t want to think about this”. Which again is thought. So at least, even if this is tiresome for the mind and the body (if not for the “I”…:), it shows up the “I” as thought upon thought.
(And reading through what I have just written here, and spotted “ Yes, I have been feeling like going round in circles”. There’s the “I” commenting on and taking “ownership” of this process. And when spotted it is just another thought :)



Thanks again for your attention and time, Sarah.

Love, Tove

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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby Sarah7 » Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:55 pm

Hi Tove
Yes thank you I did! My e button on my computer has died so there maybe some weird spellings!
Yes, I have been feeling like going round in circles….. The last few days thoughts / emotions seem to be accelerating on certain well worn topics.

Habit! Has it or anything changed/altered since starting this process?
And then thoughts about being fed up with thinking about these things come. Endless circles. I keep looking for the “I” – which cannot be found, but at the same time seems quite active in the “I don’t want to think about this”. Which again is thought.
Thought thinks that thought can solve this! But it cant. Thoughts will suggest ANYTHING but looking. Thoughts will get annoyed – BUT so what! Look for the power of a thought – where is it? If there is no on to generate that thought, and it comes on its own and goes on its own – then it has no power. It can say what it wants. As soon as annoyance or fed up-ness comes up – look for the one who is annoyed or fed up. If the thought ‘I don’t want to do this anymore’ comes up – look for the I that doesnt want to do it.

Is there a feeling of owning thoughts still? Do you feel they are happening in your head? If so – does the thought ‘I see’ actually see? Does the thought ‘I hear’ actually hear? Ask yourself does the thought ‘I think’ actually think? Look.
So at least, even if this is tiresome for the mind and the body (if not for the “I”…:), it shows up the “I” as thought upon thought.
(And reading through what I have just written here, and spotted “ Yes, I have been feeling like going round in circles”. There’s the “I” commenting on and taking “ownership” of this process. And when spotted it is just another thought :)
And then the smile comes! LOL.
Much Love Sarah xx
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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby Tessa » Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:01 pm

Hi Sarah,

I haven’t written much today, but I have spent quite a lot of time trying to answer your questions. I can describe this as coming up against a “blank” or a wall.
Habit! Has it or anything changed/altered since starting this process?
I find this difficult to answer. There is certainly more looking (without finding an “I”) . Right now, there was a thought “I’m stuck”. Looking for the “I” that’s stuck, there is nothing. This process seems to have triggered a lot of thoughts / thinking, and now a sort of clarity of the futility of looking to thoughts / thinking.
Thought thinks that thought can solve this! But it cant. Thoughts will suggest ANYTHING but looking. Thoughts will get annoyed – BUT so what! Look for the power of a thought – where is it? If there is no on to generate that thought, and it comes on its own and goes on its own – then it has no power. It can say what it wants. As soon as annoyance or fed up-ness comes up – look for the one who is annoyed or fed up. If the thought ‘I don’t want to do this anymore’ comes up – look for the I that doesnt want to do it.

Is there a feeling of owning thoughts still? Do you feel they are happening in your head? If so – does the thought ‘I see’ actually see? Does the thought ‘I hear’ actually hear? Ask yourself does the thought ‘I think’ actually think? Look.
There is a seeing of a very strong habit of “owning” thoughts and looking to thoughts, which may be a bit different from a feeling of actually owning thoughts. Like there is more “space” now. The intellectual seeing/understanding of thoughts as phenomena that just occur has been here for a long time, but now there seems to be something happening which is not intellectual. It is bewildering – and now there is some fear. More than “I don’t want to do this anymore” it is a “I don’t know what to do”.

Love, Tove

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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby Sarah7 » Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:50 pm

Hi Tove
I haven’t written much today, but I have spent quite a lot of time trying to answer your questions. I can describe this as coming up against a “blank” or a wall. [/quote]
Do you mean thought cannot supply an answer? Or there is a feeling of ‘I don’t know what to do’? If the feeling - where is the 'I' to feel it? Expected ownership? If the emotion or feeling passes through - there must be an 'I' to feel it????? Can emotions and feelings simply pass by like the clouds?
I find this difficult to answer. There is certainly more looking (without finding an “I”) . Right now, there was a thought “I’m stuck”. Looking for the “I” that’s stuck, there is nothing. This process seems to have triggered a lot of thoughts / thinking, and now a sort of clarity of the futility of looking to thoughts / thinking.

Oh yes! We are so conditioned to look at thoughts for the answer – but they cannot answer this! Simple looking shows this.
It is bewildering – and now there is some fear.

This is for fear:
Go back to the feeling of fear. In order to know fear we have to know resistance. Fear is resistance and ‘I don’t like’. Turn towards this feeling of fear so completely, so fully, allow it into you without the slightest trace of resistance – then turn around and see what remains of the fear. Can you allow this fear so completely? For who is it a problem that there is fear, agitation or intensity? Is it a problem for a single thought? What is it a problem for after that single thought has gone as it will? Another thought? In between the 2 thoughts is there a problem? Only thought is worried or threatened.
What is the sensation itself – striped of story – ignore the thoughts – look to the sensation only. The sensation changes continually or vibrates. Go into it. How old is the vibration, how long has this fear labelled sensation been? Has it just happened, does it have a history this sensation (apart from what thought gives it). How would you describe this sensation? Is it ever changing? Is it painful? Is it a problem this sensation? If thought says its unpleasant is it really? Go to the sensations and check under the label and story. Is unpleasantness added by thought? Look as if you know nothing but the current experience – is it really unpleasant? Go to the sensation – turn down the volume of the thoughts – is it a problem? If you don’t think about it, do you know that this sensation is something labelled or called fear? Is there any inherent fear in the sensation itself? Go to the sensation located at the sole of your foot – would you call that sensation fear? Or is it just a tingling vibration? Now compare these 2 sensations – the neutral soles of the feet to the labelled sensation in the chest or where ever – whats the difference between them? Don’t refer to the labels – just refer to the sensations. Is one more intense? Like a headache? If you don’t refer to your thoughts is it unpleasant? Could you live with this sensation for the rest of your life? Can you see how the thoughts get mixed up with the sensation? Is there an ‘I cant’ in there – that’s a thought. Is there an ‘I don’t want’ in there – that’s a thought. Go past the thought to the body sensation. Can you detect interpretation of the sensation? Thoughts again. Can you see the labels thought is trying to add - like – ‘this is fear’, ‘this is unpleasant’ or ‘this has been here for so long’? None of these thoughts actually belong to the sensation. See the thoughts but place them to one side. Without these thoughts would you know these sensations were fear? Same with the body – pure tingling sensation with thought overlaid. Is there resistance in the sensation or is it in the thought?
There is a seeing of a very strong habit of “owning” thoughts and looking to thoughts, which may be a bit different from a feeling of actually owning thoughts. Like there is more “space” now. The intellectual seeing/understanding of thoughts as phenomena that just occur has been here for a long time, but now there seems to be something happening which is not intellectual.
More than “I don’t want to do this anymore” it is a “I don’t know what to do”.
Thoughts don't know? That’s because thoughts are used to suggesting a correlation between thinking and doing. But doing happens effortlessly without thought – Look yourself – the thought comes after doing. BUT thought has the idea that it is in charge – habit again. Thoughts take so much notice of what thoughts say. And when that idea collapses – what is left? You mentioned a space? Look there. In that space is there an issue? In that space is there a problem? Is there the idea of an ‘I’ in that space?
Much Love Sarah xx
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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby Tessa » Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:13 pm

Hi Sarah,
Do you mean thought cannot supply an answer? Or there is a feeling of ‘I don’t know what to do’? If the feeling - where is the 'I' to feel it? Expected ownership? If the emotion or feeling passes through - there must be an 'I' to feel it????? Can emotions and feelings simply pass by like the clouds?
Yes, I mean that thought cannot supply an answer :). There seems to be a clarity about that, which came up very strongly yesterday. And then came the “I don’t know what to do”. Full force “I” ownership. Very sticky. Emotions and feelings can pass by like clouds, but there is a strong habit for the “I” to attach.
This is for fear:
Go back to the feeling of fear. In order to know fear we have to know resistance. Fear is resistance and ‘I don’t like’. Turn towards this feeling of fear so completely, so fully, allow it into you without the slightest trace of resistance – then turn around and see what remains of the fear. Can you allow this fear so completely? For who is it a problem that there is fear, agitation or intensity? Is it a problem for a single thought? What is it a problem for after that single thought has gone as it will? Another thought? In between the 2 thoughts is there a problem? Only thought is worried or threatened.
What is the sensation itself – striped of story – ignore the thoughts – look to the sensation only. The sensation changes continually or vibrates. Go into it. How old is the vibration, how long has this fear labelled sensation been? Has it just happened, does it have a history this sensation (apart from what thought gives it). How would you describe this sensation? Is it ever changing? Is it painful? Is it a problem this sensation? If thought says its unpleasant is it really? Go to the sensations and check under the label and story. Is unpleasantness added by thought? Look as if you know nothing but the current experience – is it really unpleasant? Go to the sensation – turn down the volume of the thoughts – is it a problem? If you don’t think about it, do you know that this sensation is something labelled or called fear? Is there any inherent fear in the sensation itself? Go to the sensation located at the sole of your foot – would you call that sensation fear? Or is it just a tingling vibration? Now compare these 2 sensations – the neutral soles of the feet to the labelled sensation in the chest or where ever – whats the difference between them? Don’t refer to the labels – just refer to the sensations. Is one more intense? Like a headache? If you don’t refer to your thoughts is it unpleasant? Could you live with this sensation for the rest of your life? Can you see how the thoughts get mixed up with the sensation? Is there an ‘I cant’ in there – that’s a thought. Is there an ‘I don’t want’ in there – that’s a thought. Go past the thought to the body sensation. Can you detect interpretation of the sensation? Thoughts again. Can you see the labels thought is trying to add - like – ‘this is fear’, ‘this is unpleasant’ or ‘this has been here for so long’? None of these thoughts actually belong to the sensation. See the thoughts but place them to one side. Without these thoughts would you know these sensations were fear? Same with the body – pure tingling sensation with thought overlaid. Is there resistance in the sensation or is it in the thought?
The sensation at the sole of my foot is actually more intense than the sensation located in my chest. Probably because I have walked quite a few miles today…..:). There is nothing dramatic about either sensation, and nothing particularly unpleasant – or pleasant. Without thoughts, story or labels they are easy to live with. The resistance that fear is based on is in the thoughts.

Yes, I see that only thought is worried or threatened, and the “I” identification latches on. I will continue looking at this to really disassemble what’s happening. I’ve been waking up in the middle of the night fairly regularly recently, and usually at these times these habits/ attachments/ processes are very active and given labels like worry/sadness/ fear. I will keep looking.
Thoughts don't know? That’s because thoughts are used to suggesting a correlation between thinking and doing. But doing happens effortlessly without thought – Look yourself – the thought comes after doing. BUT thought has the idea that it is in charge – habit again. Thoughts take so much notice of what thoughts say. And when that idea collapses – what is left? You mentioned a space? Look there. In that space is there an issue? In that space is there a problem? Is there the idea of an ‘I’ in that space?
No, there was no issue in that space. And no “I”. There was more a sort of relief and rest. Again: It was the thoughts about “not knowing what to do” and “not finding answers” which caused agitation, frustration and fear for the “I”.

Have a good evening!

Love, Tove

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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby Sarah7 » Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:12 am

Hi Tove
Yes, I mean that thought cannot supply an answer :). There seems to be a clarity about that, which came up very strongly yesterday. And then came the “I don’t know what to do”. Full force “I” ownership. Very sticky. Emotions and feelings can pass by like clouds, but there is a strong habit for the “I” to attach.
What is aware of ‘I being a strong habit’? What is aware of ‘I don’t know what to do’ feelings? What is aware of sticky I identification? Would that be the space within which all appears? Is that space bothered by what appears in it? You may have to wait till some feeling of whatever comes up to see this. You are already what you are looking for. That space is ever present. Look and see. It is as a TV screen – the screen is ever present but the images change constantly.
Yes, I see that only thought is worried or threatened, and the “I” identification latches on. I will continue looking at this to really disassemble what’s happening. I’ve been waking up in the middle of the night fairly regularly recently, and usually at these times these habits/ attachments/ processes are very active and given labels like worry/sadness/ fear. I will keep looking.
Are you your thoughts? Are thoughts yours? Look.
Yes sleep patterns being altered happen. Look at the stories based around sleep – ones thoughts have created and are creating. Do you write Tove? When going through this process I used to write. That very act seemed to make things (story, habit etc) somewhat clearer. This is not me telling you to write, or that it will work wonders, or that it will help you look etc. It is just a suggestion. OK.
No, there was no issue in that space. And no “I”. There was more a sort of relief and rest. Again: It was the thoughts about “not knowing what to do” and “not finding answers” which caused agitation, frustration and fear for the “I”.
Are you wanting the relief and rest of space all the time? Is this an expectation? Look.
When don’t you have it? Again look very carefully for this.
Much Love Tove.
Sarah xxx
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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby Tessa » Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:15 pm

Hi Sarah,
What is aware of ‘I being a strong habit’? What is aware of ‘I don’t know what to do’ feelings? What is aware of sticky I identification? Would that be the space within which all appears? Is that space bothered by what appears in it? You may have to wait till some feeling of whatever comes up to see this. You are already what you are looking for. That space is ever present. Look and see. It is as a TV screen – the screen is ever present but the images change constantly.
Yes, there is always a “seeing” / an awareness which is always present. A word that comes up is “background”. Tv screen is also a good metaphor. You ask “Is that space bothered by what appears in it?”, and it is not. It is noticed that “I” thoughts can appear to critize just this – “You ought to be bothered by this”.
I was just going to write that this “space” is elusive, but it is not really. It is here all the time. It is just that it cannot be labeled. It’s so simple, just presence. I see (it). And what is also seen are the thoughts about expecting some obvious shift in perception. A “wow”…..:)
Are you your thoughts? Are thoughts yours? Look.
Yes sleep patterns being altered happen. Look at the stories based around sleep – ones thoughts have created and are creating. Do you write Tove? When going through this process I used to write. That very act seemed to make things (story, habit etc) somewhat clearer. This is not me telling you to write, or that it will work wonders, or that it will help you look etc. It is just a suggestion. OK.
No, I’m not my thoughts. And “my” thoughts live their own life. That seems clear – even if the “I” attaches to them quite often.
Writing is a good suggestion for me. It’s something I enjoy and when I do write, I am often surprised by what appears.
PS! I slept through the night last night……:)
Are you wanting the relief and rest of space all the time? Is this an expectation? Look.
When don’t you have it? Again look very carefully for this.
Yes, I can see that there is an expectation there. The “I” wants that, but also wants to know what to do and how to get to this “space”. I can see that this process activates thoughts of doing well, “getting it” etc. etc.
When don’t I have it? I certainly don’t have it when there is an “I” commentary to what I’m doing or saying (until it is seen), but there are other times when I just act / speak without “I” interfering. Life can be hectic and active, but in a way effortless.

Thanks again, Sarah!

Love, Tove

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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby Sarah7 » Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:52 pm

Hi Tove
Again great looking here!
I was just going to write that this “space” is elusive, but it is not really. It is here all the time. It is just that it cannot be labeled. It’s so simple, just presence. I see (it). And what is also seen are the thoughts about expecting some obvious shift in perception. A “wow”…..:)
Yes, I can see that there is an expectation there. The “I” wants that, but also wants to know what to do and how to get to this “space”. I can see that this process activates thoughts of doing well, “getting it” etc. etc.
When don’t I have it? I certainly don’t have it when there is an “I” commentary to what I’m doing or saying (until it is seen), but there are other times when I just act / speak without “I” interfering. Life can be hectic and active, but in a way effortless.
OK. Look at the statement ‘I certainly don’t have it when there is an “I” commentary to what I’m doing or saying’. Is that a thought! Is it true? Look. Now again – you may have to wait till you are ‘I-ing’ then see – is it there still? What does ‘I’ rise in in the first place? Look for the space. See it behind everything, under everything, what everything appears in. Does it really ever go away?

What makes life hectic? Story? Under that story – that effortless way is ever present. Look.
Much Love Sarah xx
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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby Tessa » Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:10 pm

Hi Sarah!
OK. Look at the statement ‘I certainly don’t have it when there is an “I” commentary to what I’m doing or saying’. Is that a thought! Is it true? Look. Now again – you may have to wait till you are ‘I-ing’ then see – is it there still? What does ‘I’ rise in in the first place? Look for the space. See it behind everything, under everything, what everything appears in. Does it really ever go away?
Looking at that sentence now (‘I certainly don’t have it when there is an “I” commentary to what I’m doing or saying’) I see it is not true, and the thought comes “I wonder why I wrote that”. “It” or the seeing/ the screen/ the awareness is there all the time, and that seems very clear. Without it, nothing would be perceived. But, when thoughts and feelings put on a big show on the “screen”, the “screen” fades into the background / is not seen. Or perhaps it just is the space around all the activity. I had a very good opportunity to look at this today, because something happened that really set thoughts and emotions in full swing, and the looking started almost immediately. This seeing / space / screen (or whatever) was clearly sensed (sensed seems a better word than seen) – or perhaps more precisely it is what takes everything in. It is very familiar . It is there all the time. Always has been :).
What makes life hectic? Story? Under that story – that effortless way is ever present. Look.
Yes, I guess “hectic” is a label / a story. Sometimes there can be a lot of activity which is just that, and just dealt with. And as described above, the "seeing space" is there all the time.

Have a good night, Sarah!

Love, Tove

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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby Sarah7 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:53 pm

Hi Tove
I had a very good opportunity to look at this today, because something happened that really set thoughts and emotions in full swing, and the looking started almost immediately. This seeing / space / screen (or whatever) was clearly sensed (sensed seems a better word than seen) – or perhaps more precisely it is what takes everything in. It is very familiar . It is there all the time. Always has been :).
And what happened then when the looking started, to the situation?
Is there anything else you want to know, anything you are unsure of, anymore questions?
Much Love Sarah xx
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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby Tessa » Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:24 pm

Hi Sarah,
And what happened then when the looking started, to the situation?
The situation ran its course, and thoughts and emotions came and went. But, there was "space" around it. Labeling and story would come up as well, but would fall away when looked at. One way of describing the situation is that it was more like ripples than big waves.
Is there anything else you want to know, anything you are unsure of, anymore questions?
I can't come up with anything I want to know just now, or anything I am unsure of. Or questions......
Except perhaps "Do I really see that there is no "I" (I cannot find it....) ?" What also comes up is that there seems to be a sort of clarity, but still so much stickiness and habit and story. Even so, the "background", awareness, ever present space seems more in the foreground :). But no WOW !

PS! A lot is going on this weekend, so I may not be able to post until Sunday night.

Have a good weekend, Sarah!

Thank you and love from Tove

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Re: Looking for a guide

Postby Sarah7 » Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:03 am

Hi Tove
The situation ran its course, and thoughts and emotions came and went. But, there was "space" around it. Labeling and story would come up as well, but would fall away when looked at. One way of describing the situation is that it was more like ripples than big waves.
OK. Each time a situation comes up or a habitual response or a stickiness or whatever – look to the space – see what happens to the situations etc.
I can't come up with anything I want to know just now, or anything I am unsure of. Or questions......
Except perhaps "Do I really see that there is no "I" (I cannot find it....) ?" What also comes up is that there seems to be a sort of clarity, but still so much stickiness and habit and story. Even so, the "background", awareness, ever present space seems more in the foreground :). But no WOW !
Expectations! And what does expectation? Thoughts. You never lost what you are looking for – it was ever there! But thoughts……. well – they are full of want and what if and more. Look.
Expectations want everything to change, emotions to be lovely, no more sorrow…….. but again that is thought doing its thing! Look your self. Then look under, around and see if space is still there throughout all wants and what ifs. What wants WOW?
Have a lovely weekend Tove
Much Love Sarah xx
If you understand, things are just as they are; if you do not understand, things are just as they are.


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