Requesting Ilona as a guide

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Re: Requesting Ilona as a guide

Postby Creativeheart » Fri May 31, 2013 5:41 pm

Dear Nina,
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?
Was there ever?

No, none that is discernible..no where... no shape... no form... can't see/find any.
There isn't now and never was and never will be.. there is no where for it to come from...
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it
works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
The self or 'I' is a label that is applied to the perception of 'reality'.. the label is given to us as children. It 'sticks', and thoughts and stories stick to it, building up a story of 'self' over a lifetime. A story full of labelled good and bad and indifferent thoughts.
It works as a way of making life personal - or having a perception of somehow having some control or owning it. This layering of 'personal thoughts' from experience leads to scenarios where experiences can cause hurt to this built up 'self'. This sense of control is exiting when life is going 'well' and frustrating when 'things' don't go, as 'expected'.

How I see it now is that we can have thoughts and plans and ideas and these may manifest .. and they may not - much like having the idea to choose a pen.. one may be chosen or the other .. or neither.... anything is possible..
But there is no 'I' coming up with these thoughts, plans and ideas... perception is just along for the ride! The idea of this realisation initially seemed like a restriction and a lack of control but now it is feeling more and more like a big relief, freedom and ... permission to just enjoy living.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this
dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
Life feels somehow easy and simple. : )
There is no difference in any aspect of life and living, perception doesn't feel any different. The same thoughts are arising... random silly thoughts, comments on people on the street, still uncertainties, judgements all still arising like before but ... with just less 'stickiness' in them. They don't 'stick' to the 'I' with the same urgency. The feeling is the same as watching the swans and cygnets in the park. The feeling is the same as seeing life unfolding in living forms all around.

There is a doubt that this feeling today is temporary - but at the same time there hasn't been a change at all... its just feels like having slightly upgraded glasses ; ) and even if I go back to my old glasses what's been seen can't be unseen.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
A few things: watching the swans, looking at nature and 'trying to choose between two pens: sitting in work staring at two pens laughing at how hilarious it was to see that the chosen pen was a big surprise... a magic trick! Still feeling like there are many more layers .. that this is just the beginning of a new way of seeing life.
5) Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything
happen? Give examples from your experience.
No... there is the impression, the illusion that 'we are in control' and we must even work hard to maintain it! This illusion of control is like trying to trap shadows or the wind: it is images, sensations but is not based in reality.

It feels like 'I' make things happen: like cycling, making dinner, painting.. e.g. when cycling through the city, the twist and turns and nuances of cycling and balancing are all just happening.. All decisions, intentions, choices and ideas about control originate as thoughts... popping up from nowhere.

6) Anything to add

Life is a trip! Its really fun and quite hilarious.. and so precious and rich. Its such an incredible gift: the smells, the sounds..music, dancing... tastes, sensations ... all being presented in consciousness... like a grand performance, and we have front row seats.
Feeling like there are more questions to answer...

Thank you Nina for your gentle guidance.
Love

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Re: Requesting Ilona as a guide

Postby Nina » Fri May 31, 2013 5:54 pm

I have asked the other guides if they have any further questions to ask I will get back to you as soon as i have a response.

Love and light

Nina

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Re: Requesting Ilona as a guide

Postby Nina » Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:19 am

There is a doubt that this feeling today is temporary - but at the same time there hasn't been a change at all... its just feels like having slightly upgraded glasses ; ) and even if I go back to my old glasses what's been seen can't be unseen.
Could you clarify why you think you have feelings that this may be temporary.Is your conviction that once you have seen it can not be unseen. It would be great to look at this again from your experience and get back to me with your findings.
The other guides were very complimentary in your exploration. I also looking forward to your next step.
I am away for a birthday tonight and will not be on line for 24 hours

Thank you again.

Love and light
Nina

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Re: Requesting Ilona as a guide

Postby Creativeheart » Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:47 am

Thank you Nina,
I hope you enjoy the birthday.
There is a doubt that this feeling today is temporary - but at the same time there hasn't been a change at all... its just feels like having slightly upgraded glasses ; ) and even if I go back to my old glasses what's been seen can't be unseen.

Could you clarify why you think you have feelings that this may be temporary.Is your conviction that once you have seen it can not be unseen. It would be great to look at this again from your experience and get back to me with your findings.
The other guides were very complimentary in your exploration. I also looking forward to your next step.
Sitting with this: there is no I to be seen, thoughts arise randomly, there is no thinker.. and life is living.
It is my conviction, yes, that once the illusion of a separate self is seen that it cannot be unseen....but my sense is of it getting blurred by old thoughts and stories.

Thoughts still arise, feelings still arise and some old stories have great stickiness to the illusion of 'I', and there are times when this life experience feels personal and painful again… and then… again there is clarity and the truth is there to be seen: life is impersonal, the emotions loose all stickiness…and there is spaciousness again. So this is what the experience has been : waves of illusion and truth.

These old stories associated with this life won’t all become un-stuck immediately. But with time there is the feeling that these stories will, more easily, be seen for what they are.

Love

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Re: Requesting Ilona as a guide

Postby Nina » Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:41 am

Thank you i am back from a few days away The guides will get back to me soon i have had some very positive feedback
from other guides, one guide was interested to know what was the thing that just pushed you over.

Hope you are having the lovely sun shine.

Love and light
Nina

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Re: Requesting Ilona as a guide

Postby Creativeheart » Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:34 pm

Hi Nina
in response to the other guides question:
one guide was interested to know what was the thing that just pushed you over.
It doesn’t feel like there was one specific thing. But looking at the two pens trying to understand how ‘I’ made a decision was a mesperising exercise and quite an hilarious one in that he final choice felt like a magic trick… being viewed through the eyes of a child. THe choice just happened - 'I' didn't know which one was going to be chosen.. but one was chosen.

The other thing that got me to really look was trying to choose one thought – I tried this several times over – amused and amazed like a child again realising that the thought just popped up out of no-where!

Please let me know if this is ok and if there are any other questions.

x

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Re: Requesting Ilona as a guide

Postby Nina » Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:15 am

The guides have no further questions and you will be asked to join post gate groups. I think it would be wise to try to live in the moment and to understand that seeing is the start of the process of liberation With time and your involvement in the group,s things will settle down.
You have done so well and i wish you well
I will send you on Privater message a Facebook address if you want to be a friend.

It has been a great experience walking with you

Love and Light
Nina

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Re: Requesting Ilona as a guide

Postby Creativeheart » Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:36 am

Hi Nina,

Thank you so much for your guidance – I’ve read back over the process and it makes me smile. I love how simple it is.

I definitely see that ‘living in the moment’ is key.

Yes, please send me your facebook address – I’d like to be friends.

Thank you again for the time, care and compassion you brought to this process – it has been a privelege to be guided by you.

With love x

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Re: Requesting Ilona as a guide

Postby Nina » Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:49 am

No problem the guide gets to go through again and confirms the journey that is one reason to do this, The other is to work with like minded individuals.
You will be invited to closed groups on the forums on Facebook I will send you may Facebook name on the private message part of L.U.
I am sure that you have now got the tools to live moment by moment old ideas do come back when life does not go to plan go with the flow live in the moment and experience as much pleasure as you can because mind body and spirit are all part of this great connection

love and life.

Nina


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