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[arjayde]

hi ray. they say that the center of a hurricane is "the i of the storm". with reference to our inquiry, it could be more appropriate to say "i-less-ness" is the center of the storm.calm relative acceptance. the "i" is sort of created when the awareness known as rob pulls towards or repels against experience. there is no "i". there is no yogi bear. to answer your questions.

is it a body.

yes.

is it hearing,

yes.

there is seeing,

yes. etc.

Can anyone really own anything?

there are "things",but no "i" to own those "things. if experience, labeled rob, pulls toward or pushes away experience then a relative identification with an "i" seems to be created. in the center is acceptance. many blessings. r

[ray]

Hi Rob,

hi ray. they say that the center of a hurricane is "the i of the storm". with reference to our inquiry, it could be more appropriate to say "i-less-ness" is the center of the storm.calm relative acceptance. the "i" is sort of created when the awareness known as rob pulls towards or repels against experience. there is no "i". there is no yogi bear. to answer your questions.

ray wrote:is it a body.

yes.

ray wrote:is it hearing,

yes.

ray wrote:there is seeing,

yes. etc.

ray wrote:Can anyone really own anything?

there are "things",but no "i" to own those "things. if experience, labeled rob, pulls toward or pushes away experience then a relative identification with an "i" seems to be created.

That's sounding loud and clear :)
Let's dig a little deeper. "if experience, labeled rob, pulls toward or pushes away experience" , is there any one to do the pulling or pushing? Can a label pull or push? It's probably only the habitual way we use our language, but please try to express this more accurately.

Look for the boundary between the bodily senses and experiencing. Sound is a good example, listen to some music. Can you find a boundary between what is heard and the hearer? Notice this also with sight or touch, where is the boundary between the observed and the observer.

warmth and blessings,
Ray

[arjayde]

hi ray. as you were posting "i" was experimenting with "click and drag". acceptance or balance or "center of the storm" was the experience until... the tippy-top of the head. do you know the phrase "what happens when you back a wild dog into a corner?? lets change that up a bit. its like awareness is chasing the "i" (which isn't) into the corner (mind) which is. would this be a neat spot for the door !?. AND! by the way. who the h-ll is watching all this? its kind of like a who-dune-it movie.

Let's dig a little deeper. "if experience, labeled rob, pulls toward or pushes away experience" , is there any one to do the pulling or pushing? Can a label pull or push? It's probably only the habitual way we use our language, but please try to express this more accurately.

Look for the boundary between the bodily senses and experiencing. Sound is a good example, listen to some music. Can you find a boundary between what is heard and the hearer? Notice this also with sight or touch, where is the boundary between the observed and the observer

going to check this out a bit further. be back at-ya. take care. r

[arjayde]

hi ray. back from hunting and gathering (groceries). it seems that my last post is an answer to your previous post. humm. the "i" (which is not), somehow takes up residence with-in the mind/head. it seems that the observer is the "i" (which really is not). somehow a situation occurs that allows there to be an apparent separation between...?...?"i"(which is not)/mind and experience. just grabbing at straws here ray. the mind is a part of experience. the "i" rests with-in; but "it", you guessed it, is not. this is like patting your head, rubbing your tummy and saying the peter piper rhyme all at the same time. blessings. r

[ray]

Hi Rob,

it seems that my last post is an answer to your previous post. humm. the "i" (which is not), somehow takes up residence with-in the mind/head. it seems that the observer is the "i" (which really is not). somehow a situation occurs that allows there to be an apparent separation between...?...?"i"(which is not)/mind and experience. just grabbing at straws here ray. the mind is a part of experience. the "i" rests with-in; but "it", you guessed it, is not. t

It's sounding a bit complicated.
Can you just clarify something. Is the statement "there is no I" something that you are experiencing some of the time and other times that is not the experience?

The old habit of "self-ing" does pop up even after seeing through the illusion of self. Can you see that this appearance of self is just another idea, another thought that appears in awareness?
Do you see that this I-thought is just another idea, another thought. Ultimately unreal. Don't take my word for this, check it out for yourself.

Please take a look at this article about thinking. It's another gem from cosmiK http://this-is-cosmik.blogspot.ca/2012/ ... ughts.html

Best wishes,
Ray

[arjayde]

hi ray.

Is the statement "there is no I" something that you are experiencing some of the time and other times that is not the experience?

it seems that illusion of "i" has been seen. it seems that body is experiencing sensations with-in, then an i seems to attach. there's also a noticing of attraction or repulsion. however, if "center is "found" balance,is present. what seems confusing is "is this all there is to liberation"? even though there is a profundity to the implications. eg. no good or bad. there's not any great cosmik joke or anything. maybe a sensation of sadness for the enormous expenditure of energy. there just seemed to be something missing . like getting to no "i" is the gate and then there is a stepping through "that"

Can you see that this appearance of self is just another idea, another thought that appears in awareness?

yes, that seems to be true.printed the "coskic" article. signing off for now to read. blessings once again. p.s. kind off find "myself" just looking at stuff, like daydreaming, but with very little or almost no thoughts. like a space cadet with no drooling. later. r

[ray]

Hi Rob,

what seems confusing is "is this all there is to liberation"? even though there is a profundity to the implications. eg. no good or bad. there's not any great cosmik joke or anything. maybe a sensation of sadness for the enormous expenditure of energy. there just seemed to be something missing . like getting to no "i" is the gate and then there is a stepping through "that"

"Is that it?" is a fairly common reaction. You may feel like kicking yourself for not getting it years ago, and then find your foot swinging in the breeze as there's no-one to kick. LOL.

Seeing the absence of self is a first step. Then there's a process of unfolding and settling and indeed deepening. For many there's a feeling of disorientation until things settle, some people say this feels like falling. It's different for everyone.

I'll wait for your reply when you've read cosmiK's article.

I'm happy to walk with you some more until you feel you're "done".
Looking forward to your next message :)

Love and blessings,
Ray

[arjayde]

body experiencing called ray. this is body experiencing called rob. voice expressing ..hi.

Is that it?" is a fairly common reaction. You may feel like kicking yourself for not getting it years ago, and then find your foot swinging in the breeze as there's no-one to kick.

yes. also, yesterdays words were "wasted energy". it's more like misdirected energy. this mornings thought picture in the mind was the Tazmanian devil (cartoon figure) spinning around. grabbing at, pushing away. he had an "i" condition which people commonly called rabies. a vaccination called liberation could easily remedy the situation. however, some side effects could be expected. a shaky type experience whereby the body feels disorientation. this is really just a process where the "i" is falling away'. to listen carefully a body might experience, through the ears, the words; "help me i'm dying"......thanks for the vaccination ray. what's next? watering the plants in the greenhouse, putting wood in the outdoor boiler stove?.....body experiencing ...mind thought-ing..... it seems that the great highs,the great lows,the perceptions of woundedness, wanting to be anywhere other than now, striving for greatness, material possessions, etc. somewhere in all that stuff an identity with "i" can be suspect. how about...is suspect.... mind is at a loss for expressing words at the moment. and the body is at peace. what's next doc. ? later. r

[ray]

Hi Rob,
On the canal :) lovely. No network yesterday.
Please look at my earlier question about the boundary of the senses.

There seems to be a witness of experience. Look at what is behind this. Is there a witness, a watcher?

All the best
Ray

[arjayde]

hi ray. glad your enjoying the holiday time. good timing for your post as a "something is being looked at" on this end. quite shakey but o.k.

Look for the boundary between the bodily senses and experiencing. Sound is a good example, listen to some music. Can you find a boundary between what is heard and the hearer? Notice this also with sight or touch, where is the boundary between the observed and the observer.

can't seem to locate any boundary at all.

There seems to be a witness of experience. Look at what is behind this. Is there a witness, a watcher?

for some reason this seems so. like "god" who supplies the answer to a inquiry, or insight unto a situation which "rob" has no previous experience. however this could be conditioning. must say , don't know what's behind "this" at present. what if there is no-thing, no watcher, no witness? ( mind-thought-ing from head of "rob"). brevity my friend. blessings, joy and peace unto you and your wife. enjoy the holiday. later. r

[arjayde]

hi ray. had time to check out the experiencer/experience. there is no difference between the two. ray is experience experiencing. rob is experience experiencing. Tazmainian devil (Td) is experience experiencing. all is experience experiencing. or god god-ing.the (Td) has a heavy conditioning of "i-dentity". if "rob" sees through falseness of "i" and then has issuses with (Td), then it only points to areas where "rob's" "i-dentity" has not fallen away. blessings and love. r

[ray]

Hi Rob,
Take it gently and be a student of, an observer of yourself. Even though there is only observing :-)
Look at the shakey feeling when it is there. Probably some fear at its root. Do the welcoming/openness/accepting/looking behind the feeling/experiencing open peacefulness. See what the fear is protecting.

Seeing through the idea of separate self happens effortlessly.
Look. It is a shift in perspective not a change of personality.

BTW Td is a cartoon character. Can it experience?

I'll write again in a couple of days.
Warmth and blessings,
Ray

[arjayde]

hi ray. thanks for the post. going to spend some time and LOOK!! later. r

[arjayde]

hi ray. hope all is exciting and well. this is only a daily post re: the "agreement". no rush required to reply at your end.

Look at the shakey

shakey is not fear, but an unskillful word chosen by "me" to describe a recalibration process of the body when a collection of "i" lies collapse like dominoes.

See what the fear is protecting

sometimes fear alerts the body to possible real danger, however when a false belief in the "i" is present, fear is always protecting the false "i" lie.

BTW Td is a cartoon character. Can it experience?

Td is only a metaphor for an individual who has a deep but false belief in "i". an individual who grabs at or pushes away life. as a character Td is false. like yogi bear is false. like "i" is false. blessings. r

[arjayde]

Hi ray. This is "the daily post". Not to be confused with the newspaper. While laying down heard some words that went something like this: "All! of the worlds perceived problems could be eliminated down to one perceived problem. And the solution is connected to the perceived problem. Is there any truth in that statement?" How cool right! A false belief in "i" creates a false sense of separation. There is no "i". There is no separation. All is. Later. r P.S. kind of experiencing what could be called a sweet indifference. Take care.