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Nina
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Re: Any Guides available?

Postby Nina » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:23 pm

The sense of presence mostly, it feels as though the small "i" is a character with all it's traits that don't relate directly to what "I AM"
You are very close to the gate I would like you to look at the answer you gave above and then consider the Question below.
Can you please give me the thoughts that come to you directly with out struggle.
Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever? how about self, is there anything that is separate from everything else?
Nina
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Re: Any Guides available?

Postby Francis » Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:47 pm

Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever? how about self, is there anything that is separate from everything else?
From direct experience, there's a story of a me, personal history & projecting into an imagined future. It seems less solid than before & a little groundless. Like the foundations are shaky, if that makes sense...

I know that nothing is separate from everything else but I'm not feeling that connection in my being just now. I felt it in the past & the knowing was blindingly obvious.

Thanks Nina you're helping me a lot but I'm a bit slow!

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Re: Any Guides available?

Postby Francis » Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:21 pm

Hi Nina

Since starting this process I'm feeling some energy shifting in the body, like I can see the gate & it's almost inevitable I'll get there! You've paced thing just perfectly in allowing me the time & space to let things unfold.

I'm not there yet though, need a little push ;-)

Love Francis

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Re: Any Guides available?

Postby Nina » Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:42 pm

Hy look inside and observe any thoughts that may be holding you back.
I would like to know if you have seen.
I am going to ask you some further questions then ask the other guides for an opinion and it would be great if you can answer each question one at a time
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1in detail explain what the self is and how it works.
2 How does it feel to be liberated?
3 how would you describe it to somebody who has never heard about no you
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Re: Any Guides available?

Postby Francis » Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:38 pm

1 in detail explain what the self is and how it works.
The self is an illusion comprised of thoughts,labels,stories & habits.
It identifies itself as all of these & also with the body, attaching itself to all experiences while spinning tales to ensure it's seen as the central axis on which everything spins.
It sees itself as an individual entity which has some degree of control over what takes place.
2 How does it feel to be liberated?
Er.....I'm not there yet am I? Subtle changes have occurred but not a polarity shift.
I AM trying.
3 how would you describe it to somebody who has never heard about no you?
No you is like before but with a big sigh & an inner spaciousness that's no longer tied to a false image.
The belief & investment in YOU is hard to drop, when dropping off it's almost like leaving a relationship that's run it's course, or finally having the guts to leave a job that's tedious & saps any creativity.

I've looked inside to see what might be holding me back & what I get is:
"It can't be this easy" "I'm missing something" "Liberation is for the special few who've purified themselves over lifetimes"

I seem to be a bundle of contradictions don't I?

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Re: Any Guides available?

Postby Nina » Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:43 pm

Er.....I'm not there yet am I? Subtle changes have occurred but not a polarity shift.
I AM trying.
The gate is the ability to see not a polarity shift, Have another look you may be surprised

Love Nina

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Re: Any Guides available?

Postby Francis » Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:53 pm

Hi Nina

What can I say!
There is no ME but I'm still here, I feel neither Liberated nor Non Liberated. There was no me to go through the gate & no gate to pass through.
I think it might take a little while to integrate my experience with this insight...or not.

Thanks so much for guiding me in this process, you've been brilliant.

Love & blessings Francis

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Re: Any Guides available?

Postby Nina » Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:04 pm

Very well done, I will post our journey for the other guides to consider they may have a few questions for your consideration.
When they have considered this,I will post you with any final questions or confirm with others that you are through the Gate there are Facebook groups that you can join.
The next few weeks may be interesting an do to contact me if you have any problems.
I am sure that the last few weeks have caused a great deal of thought and this may be the start of a journey.
Love and Light

Nina

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Re: Any Guides available?

Postby Nina » Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:44 pm

1 How would you describe it to somebody who has never heard about this illusion but is curious about it.
What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look? was it gradual or more sudden?
Describe the difference before seeing, at the moment of seeing, and after seeing? describe the key differences.
In what ways has Seeing changed 'your' life? what impact will this have on your life?
Now that you see that 'you', the first person character at the core of life, isn't, what do you see when you see 'others'? explain in your own words from your direct experience.
The other guides were very complementary for your clarity could you please Just look at the above and write your first thoughts
I very much look forward to your next post

Love and Light

Nina

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Re: Any Guides available?

Postby Francis » Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:53 pm

Thanks for the encouraging words Nina, think I have a way to go before I've nailed it though.
How would you describe it to somebody who has never heard about this illusion but is curious about it.
Imagine how you'd feel if you woke up one day without any baggage? You remember the story & the pain but it's no big deal, like it belonged to someone else.
What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look? was it gradual or more sudden?
I'd say gradual but there was a distinct "moment" of conviction rather than an intellectual figuring out if you will.
Describe the difference before seeing, at the moment of seeing, and after seeing? describe the key differences.
Before seeing I'd read enough to agree with the concept of no self. At the moment of seeing & afterwards, I guess there was a calmness, a clarity & a surrender. I suppose I was expecting fireworks & a brass band but instead I just felt a peaceful recognition.
In what ways has Seeing changed 'your' life? what impact will this have on your life?
Life carries on I guess with a broader perspective & a feeling of optimism. I don't think I'm anywhere near done with this process. I feel a childlike excitement at what will unfold next.
Now that you see that 'you', the first person character at the core of life, isn't, what do you see when you see 'others'? explain in your own words from your direct experience.
When I see others I see Me in a different form. Without the stories & labels life expressing itself.

When I look at my answers I'm sure it's from the heart but a nagging little voice says "You're bluffing, that's just stuff you've read in books" Mr Ego trying to hang on maybe?

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Re: Any Guides available?

Postby Nina » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:48 pm

Loved working with you I will ask for final confirmation Most people have the experience of Nagging doubts thoughts,
This is normal. However when you have seen there the road ahead has so much more to offer and once seen over the next weeks and months things will clear and the experience that you have had will further unfold .
Love and light

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Re: Any Guides available?

Postby Nina » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:13 pm

Really nice Nina. Could you ask her, "So with Francis now gone, what's left?"
One Guide asked this Question for you could you please respond

Thank You

Love and Light

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Re: Any Guides available?

Postby Francis » Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:39 pm

Hey Nina I'm a guy but that's not important :-)

I've been really busy at work all through this process but in a quiet moment this came to me:

To say I'm Liberated would be to limit what I am. I'm reluctant to bind myself to any concept, no matter how enticing. I was wondering "How does a Liberated person act?" It doesn't seem important now. What's important for me is to love without discrimination.

I don't wanna get all poetic but that's what came up anyhow.

Love to you & yours Nina

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Re: Any Guides available?

Postby Nina » Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:34 pm

Can you please look at one of the guides questions above thank you

Love and Light Nina

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Re: Any Guides available?

Postby Francis » Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:50 pm

OK Nina

No BS. Every time I look for an "I" there's just an empty like space, there's no actual "Me".
I do however have a "feeling" that something I can't label is there, it's like a gut level "Given" that something is doing the planning etc.

That is what I can't seem to see through despite the blissful moments where I have clarity. Clarity doesn't seem to last. Can you help me see through that?

Love Francis.


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