Can you see that here now when it's noticed, there is relaxation.
Tension starts with thinking about past or future. Bringing attention to now, to raw sensations and feeling calms the mind.
If you look through this lense for a day-
In the seeing there is only seen
In the hearing there is only heard
In the sensing there is only sensed
In the cognising there is only cognised..
How does everything look?
Is there an experiencer?
Is there a center to which experienced happens?
Take time with this.
Much love.
I would love to work with Ilona!
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Good evening, Ilona!
Yes, I have been looking through the lenses you suggested, on and off today - meaning doing it every time I remember to do it! And every time I remember, I actually get happy. And then the noticing starts: for example, now there is sitting, now there is a sensing of a heaviness of legs against the sofa, a sensing of gravity, now a hearing of breathing from the children's room (both of them are sleeping), now a tingling in the legs, now swallowing happening, now some thinking going on etc.
What I notice when I take away the "I" perspective is more awareness, freshness and focus on what is - even the small so called insignificant details like the doorknob becomes more interesting, just seeing the key penetrating the keyhole is something worth noticing in itself. Like every moment is as much worth as the next one - there is less of the familiar tendency of putting experiences into a hierarchy of importance, which brings more aliveness into each moment!
Yes, I would really like to spend some time with this - I want to keep experiencing with these lenses through the weekend and report what I see :-)
Love Kjersti
Yes, I have been looking through the lenses you suggested, on and off today - meaning doing it every time I remember to do it! And every time I remember, I actually get happy. And then the noticing starts: for example, now there is sitting, now there is a sensing of a heaviness of legs against the sofa, a sensing of gravity, now a hearing of breathing from the children's room (both of them are sleeping), now a tingling in the legs, now swallowing happening, now some thinking going on etc.
What I notice when I take away the "I" perspective is more awareness, freshness and focus on what is - even the small so called insignificant details like the doorknob becomes more interesting, just seeing the key penetrating the keyhole is something worth noticing in itself. Like every moment is as much worth as the next one - there is less of the familiar tendency of putting experiences into a hierarchy of importance, which brings more aliveness into each moment!
Yes, I would really like to spend some time with this - I want to keep experiencing with these lenses through the weekend and report what I see :-)
Love Kjersti
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hehe, this is actually not a lens. it is what it is, experienced, without a lens. :)
See for yourself.
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Good point :-)
Right now there is tiredness, a heaviness in the head, hands writing these words, silence, feeling the head aching, a longing for going to bed, a longing for rest...
Goodnight to you, Ilona
Love Kjersti
Right now there is tiredness, a heaviness in the head, hands writing these words, silence, feeling the head aching, a longing for going to bed, a longing for rest...
Goodnight to you, Ilona
Love Kjersti
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Good morning :)
Can you say that shift is still happening or happened already?
How does it feel seeing this?
Can you say that shift is still happening or happened already?
How does it feel seeing this?
See for yourself.
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The shift is still happening - I am in and out of the modus of just experiencing the experience, noticing the tendency to label, not being identified with it AND the "I"-modus of habitual thinking and reacting.
Knowing and experiencing the "lens-free" modus feels liberating, light, joyful and a feeling of being held by life itself - or more precise, nobody being held, but just a holding quality...
Being in the "I"-modus is not as "serious business" as it was before, because I remember very often, that it is just an old habit that I don't have to buy into.
Did I answer your question? I am not totally sure if I understood your question right...
Love Kjersti :-)
Knowing and experiencing the "lens-free" modus feels liberating, light, joyful and a feeling of being held by life itself - or more precise, nobody being held, but just a holding quality...
Being in the "I"-modus is not as "serious business" as it was before, because I remember very often, that it is just an old habit that I don't have to buy into.
Did I answer your question? I am not totally sure if I understood your question right...
Love Kjersti :-)
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Yes, you answered perfectly.
:)
Cool, so can you say that illusion of separate entity I/ me have been seen through?
Is there anything else to understand?
:)
Cool, so can you say that illusion of separate entity I/ me have been seen through?
Is there anything else to understand?
See for yourself.
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Hm, have "I" seen through the illusion of separate entity/I/me? "I" am not sure! There is not a clear YES to your question. But what I am certain of is that there is a gradual clearer seeing and a gradual liberation - that is sure!
There is still some confusion around one of the questions you posted me earlier, that I never got around to answer properly, here is the question you wrote:
"If you close your eyes and sit for a bit, can you find a line that separates this body from environment? Where is that line? What is here with eyes closed?
Open your eyes after that and see, is there a line between here and there, inside and outside?
Don't think about it. Look. And by that I mean simply look with eyes."
To me there is still a line between here and there, most of the time. But I have had experiences throughout the last years where the limit between me and my environment gets weaker and melts away - and then comes back again. I want to investigate this a little more...
Good night, Ilona - and thank you so much for supporting me in this process :-)
There is still some confusion around one of the questions you posted me earlier, that I never got around to answer properly, here is the question you wrote:
"If you close your eyes and sit for a bit, can you find a line that separates this body from environment? Where is that line? What is here with eyes closed?
Open your eyes after that and see, is there a line between here and there, inside and outside?
Don't think about it. Look. And by that I mean simply look with eyes."
To me there is still a line between here and there, most of the time. But I have had experiences throughout the last years where the limit between me and my environment gets weaker and melts away - and then comes back again. I want to investigate this a little more...
Good night, Ilona - and thank you so much for supporting me in this process :-)
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Can you look at that line closer and describe it what makes it a line, what is the difference between here and there and which senses are involved in sensing the line.
Describe the line what you see with eyes closed and with lines open.
Much love.
Describe the line what you see with eyes closed and with lines open.
Much love.
See for yourself.
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When I close my eyes I notice that there is not a clear line between me and the sound of the wind blowing in the trees outside the building. The sound penetrates my body through the ears and becomes part of me for a while, then it vanishes again. Same with breathing - air from outside of my body coming into my body - in other words not a clear line between here and there - there is a merge. Sitting in my bed with eyes closed, I can feel the weight of my body against the mattress - well, I cannot feel my whole body at the same time, there are certain parts of my body I am more aware of than other parts. I notice that it is a clearer sensed line between the areas where I point my attention towards, than the parts of my body that are out of my awareness.
When I have my eyes open, I can clearly see that there is a line between my body and my environment - the line is my skin. I notice that the sounds still penetrates my body even though the source is from outside, and so does air.
Oh, getting very tired now, so going to sleep...
Goodnight to you
Love Kjersti
When I have my eyes open, I can clearly see that there is a line between my body and my environment - the line is my skin. I notice that the sounds still penetrates my body even though the source is from outside, and so does air.
Oh, getting very tired now, so going to sleep...
Goodnight to you
Love Kjersti
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Hm, dont know what to write right now. Hm, what about just staying with that - now there is not knowing what to write. Yes, thats it. Right now there is a commitment to a daily report here on the site and there is no impulse about what to write and investigate into. Silence. Hm, a feeling of relief, nothing have to be done to make things other than it is. Seeing and stating what is, is more than enough. For right now, anyways :-)
Love
Kjersti
Love
Kjersti
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I see that search is coming to an end :)
You say
The body is seen just like things around it are seen, can you see inside the body? Is looking happening from inside the body?
If you look at a closed drawer, can you see inside it? When you open the drawer, is there a line between inside and outside?
Can it be that there is no inside and outside, just what is seen, one space, one vision field filled with shapes and colour? Does the skin contain a 'me'? If you look for a me in the vision field, can it be found?
Can you stop seeing with eyes open?
Is body seeing or is seen?
:) describe what is seen.
Much love.
You say
Lets try this again. With eyes open and without naming objects, is there a line between inside and outside?When I have my eyes open, I can clearly see that there is a line between my body and my environment - the line is my skin. I notice that the sounds still penetrates my body even though the source is from outside, and so does air.
The body is seen just like things around it are seen, can you see inside the body? Is looking happening from inside the body?
If you look at a closed drawer, can you see inside it? When you open the drawer, is there a line between inside and outside?
Can it be that there is no inside and outside, just what is seen, one space, one vision field filled with shapes and colour? Does the skin contain a 'me'? If you look for a me in the vision field, can it be found?
Can you stop seeing with eyes open?
Is body seeing or is seen?
:) describe what is seen.
Much love.
See for yourself.
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What your words are pointing to are definitely piercing through some layers here... especially:
"With eyes open and without naming objects, is there a line between inside and outside?
The body is seen just like things around it are seen,"
"Can it be that there is no inside and outside, just what is seen, one space, one vision field filled with shapes and colour? Does the skin contain a 'me'? If you look for a me in the vision field, can it be found?"
There came up two images: The first one was hearing the commentator as a "robot voice" which started to become more and more staccato and in the end saying incomprehensible sounds like blrrrrblupblrrrrrrr... The second image/sensation was like being 6 years again, in the last moment of losing a tooth, you know when there is just a tiny, tiny thread holding the tooth in its familiar place. Rocking the tooth back and forth to get it over with, feeling both eager and reluctant at the same time...
Right now nothing special is happening, just that it seems very clear to me that there is always a choice of either listening to, act upon and believing in the commentator OR just letting it be there and go on just being whatever there is...
I have this impulse to keep reading the words you just wrote over and over again - they have this woodpecker-quality :-)
Love, love, love
"With eyes open and without naming objects, is there a line between inside and outside?
The body is seen just like things around it are seen,"
"Can it be that there is no inside and outside, just what is seen, one space, one vision field filled with shapes and colour? Does the skin contain a 'me'? If you look for a me in the vision field, can it be found?"
There came up two images: The first one was hearing the commentator as a "robot voice" which started to become more and more staccato and in the end saying incomprehensible sounds like blrrrrblupblrrrrrrr... The second image/sensation was like being 6 years again, in the last moment of losing a tooth, you know when there is just a tiny, tiny thread holding the tooth in its familiar place. Rocking the tooth back and forth to get it over with, feeling both eager and reluctant at the same time...
Right now nothing special is happening, just that it seems very clear to me that there is always a choice of either listening to, act upon and believing in the commentator OR just letting it be there and go on just being whatever there is...
I have this impulse to keep reading the words you just wrote over and over again - they have this woodpecker-quality :-)
Love, love, love
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Sweet.. Yes, there is a option- to listen to the voice and take what it says seriously or to let it talk and be here without taking it seriously.
Option B is the option of peace. It's where you no longer are lost in the head.
Ok, when ready, answer those question for me from the previous post.
Much love to you.
Option B is the option of peace. It's where you no longer are lost in the head.
Ok, when ready, answer those question for me from the previous post.
Much love to you.
See for yourself.
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You asked:
"With eyes open and without naming objects, is there a line between inside and outside?"
What becomes clearer to me when reading you sentence and investigating, is that it is the labeling tendency that draws a line between inside and outside. This way of interpreting the world is so habitual and unquestioned that it has been hard for me to see it! With eyes open it is so easy to fall into this habit of drawing lines between a "me" and other objects, but right now there is a curiosity about the possibility of seeing the world from a totally new perspective - or perhaps no perspective? Yes, thats it - just seeing, no perspective seeing it from! Ah, now I get this losing-a-tooth-feeling again... It is a sore, raw feeling, but also excitement and impatience - like being on the edge of getting rid of something that has been a part of me for so long... So yes, it can be that there is no inside and outside - but when I really try to look and investigate into it - I get very confused!
Shit, it is so hard to sit here with eyes open and no labeling - I see the possibility of it, but right now it feels like my eyes contain a me! What confuses me is that the seeing is coming from a certain angle, the angle of my eyes, I see the room from a certain placement in the room, and I identify this certain angle with being "me"! Right now I feel like a confused kid, asking: If there is no me, why cant I see the room from another angle, why do the seeing have to come from this body??? You ask: Is looking happening from inside the body? Yes, to be honest, I think that the seeing has something to do with my body, the capability of seeing is located in my body AND at the same time it seems very true to me that the habit of thinking in terms of inside and outside are stemming from the tendency to label things. Hm, confusion!
Okey, I am trying to find a me in this vision field, this vision field of seeing the room from a certain angle - is there a me to find? The body is here, the bed is here, the sound of the rain outside, the chair is here, the mac is here, the pillows are here, sensations in the body are here AND there are thoughts interpreting the sensations through a "me-filter". Hm, "me" is just a thought and a thought cannot think or act or do anything else than being a thought. So the "me-filter" is just a bunch of thoughts drawing a convincing picture of there being a "me"...
Well, that is all for today - I'll just let the confusion do its thing for a while and rest a bit!
Love
Kjersti
"With eyes open and without naming objects, is there a line between inside and outside?"
What becomes clearer to me when reading you sentence and investigating, is that it is the labeling tendency that draws a line between inside and outside. This way of interpreting the world is so habitual and unquestioned that it has been hard for me to see it! With eyes open it is so easy to fall into this habit of drawing lines between a "me" and other objects, but right now there is a curiosity about the possibility of seeing the world from a totally new perspective - or perhaps no perspective? Yes, thats it - just seeing, no perspective seeing it from! Ah, now I get this losing-a-tooth-feeling again... It is a sore, raw feeling, but also excitement and impatience - like being on the edge of getting rid of something that has been a part of me for so long... So yes, it can be that there is no inside and outside - but when I really try to look and investigate into it - I get very confused!
Shit, it is so hard to sit here with eyes open and no labeling - I see the possibility of it, but right now it feels like my eyes contain a me! What confuses me is that the seeing is coming from a certain angle, the angle of my eyes, I see the room from a certain placement in the room, and I identify this certain angle with being "me"! Right now I feel like a confused kid, asking: If there is no me, why cant I see the room from another angle, why do the seeing have to come from this body??? You ask: Is looking happening from inside the body? Yes, to be honest, I think that the seeing has something to do with my body, the capability of seeing is located in my body AND at the same time it seems very true to me that the habit of thinking in terms of inside and outside are stemming from the tendency to label things. Hm, confusion!
Okey, I am trying to find a me in this vision field, this vision field of seeing the room from a certain angle - is there a me to find? The body is here, the bed is here, the sound of the rain outside, the chair is here, the mac is here, the pillows are here, sensations in the body are here AND there are thoughts interpreting the sensations through a "me-filter". Hm, "me" is just a thought and a thought cannot think or act or do anything else than being a thought. So the "me-filter" is just a bunch of thoughts drawing a convincing picture of there being a "me"...
Well, that is all for today - I'll just let the confusion do its thing for a while and rest a bit!
Love
Kjersti
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