Re: Looking for guidance
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:44 am
"The panic attack, words, and ideas are just experiences fears, nothing to be avoided, in fact they just show what needs to be investigated."
This is exactly what was seen. Normally when panic happens or any type of fear, a resistance starts in the mind and body that says this should not be. Now with the realization dawning that there is no self, the fear and panic was seen as what was spontaneously happening and there was no resistor anymore. This has never once been my experience in the past.
"I don't think you are crazy."
I don't even know what to say... Thanks! lol... There's a big non-identification with mind going on here, so any BS that the mind throws out is seen through pretty quick.
"I have a two year old boy and a girl on the way."
Congrats on the new baby... being a Dad has to be one of the greatest joys in the world, and one of the hardest.
"Lift up your right hand and wave it. Do this. Notice that no one is doing it.
Pick up your right foot and lightly stomp on the floor. Notice that no one is doing it.
Yes there is choice to do this or not do this. It doesn't change the fact that no 'person' was doing anything."
As I was driving along the other day pretty much doing this exercise, a funny idea came. You know when some dope comes along and makes some kind of outlandish claim like "Jesus walked on water, and could levitate" or some such shit? Then after they make this spectacularly ridiculous claim and I start to differ in my opinion, they say I have to prove that he didn't. lol. The fool doesn't understand that the burden of proof lies on his shoulders, not mine. Anyway so as I was doing these exercises, the mind is pretty much insisting that there is an "I" or a "me". So another thought came along right after that and said "prove it, now obviously if someone is going to make a claim that a self exists that can't be seen, heard, touched, smelled, or tasted... I say prove it!" Then all together the mind came to a screeching halt, and was kind of like, what? Prove it? How the fuck can that be proven? Where would I even begin to prove something like that? So I looked at my legs... nope not me. looked at my hands... not me. looked at my body... not me. Hmmm but I keep saying "my", so these things must belong to me... right? But where am I? As far as I have been able to see, the self is only an image in the mind... a phantom... How can I prove a phantom exists?...The spoon never was there... Ah hah! There it is... that goddamn thing never was there...
Funny thing is... things don't feel much different, but whatever...
"Try it. Listen to some song that gives you chills and look for 'I' and other during it."
These exercises definitely are helping, throw as many as you know over here in the pool... I'm jumping in!
This is exactly what was seen. Normally when panic happens or any type of fear, a resistance starts in the mind and body that says this should not be. Now with the realization dawning that there is no self, the fear and panic was seen as what was spontaneously happening and there was no resistor anymore. This has never once been my experience in the past.
"I don't think you are crazy."
I don't even know what to say... Thanks! lol... There's a big non-identification with mind going on here, so any BS that the mind throws out is seen through pretty quick.
"I have a two year old boy and a girl on the way."
Congrats on the new baby... being a Dad has to be one of the greatest joys in the world, and one of the hardest.
"Lift up your right hand and wave it. Do this. Notice that no one is doing it.
Pick up your right foot and lightly stomp on the floor. Notice that no one is doing it.
Yes there is choice to do this or not do this. It doesn't change the fact that no 'person' was doing anything."
As I was driving along the other day pretty much doing this exercise, a funny idea came. You know when some dope comes along and makes some kind of outlandish claim like "Jesus walked on water, and could levitate" or some such shit? Then after they make this spectacularly ridiculous claim and I start to differ in my opinion, they say I have to prove that he didn't. lol. The fool doesn't understand that the burden of proof lies on his shoulders, not mine. Anyway so as I was doing these exercises, the mind is pretty much insisting that there is an "I" or a "me". So another thought came along right after that and said "prove it, now obviously if someone is going to make a claim that a self exists that can't be seen, heard, touched, smelled, or tasted... I say prove it!" Then all together the mind came to a screeching halt, and was kind of like, what? Prove it? How the fuck can that be proven? Where would I even begin to prove something like that? So I looked at my legs... nope not me. looked at my hands... not me. looked at my body... not me. Hmmm but I keep saying "my", so these things must belong to me... right? But where am I? As far as I have been able to see, the self is only an image in the mind... a phantom... How can I prove a phantom exists?...The spoon never was there... Ah hah! There it is... that goddamn thing never was there...
Funny thing is... things don't feel much different, but whatever...
"Try it. Listen to some song that gives you chills and look for 'I' and other during it."
These exercises definitely are helping, throw as many as you know over here in the pool... I'm jumping in!